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> People will move out of the cities onto land where they can remove/shoot down cameras People interested in method Mad Max LARPing are significantly overrepre

by klyrs 2y ago

> People will move out of the cities onto land where they can remove/shoot down cameras People interested in method Mad Max LARPing are significantly overrepresented on HN.

righthand 2y ago
Drones, country where owning a gun is right. I see no post apocalyptic societal leap needed to get to something like this happening. People interested in fiction as the only match for predictions, are significantly overrepresented on HN. Please reference at me that “life will find a way”.
- klyrs 2y ago
  Where you're certainly correct that "people" will move out to the country because of this, it's your insinuation that their number will be noteworthy that I find suspect. And, as it turns out, high prevalence of gun ownership and radically inappropriate use of guns is not unique to either the city nor the country.
  - righthand 2y ago
    Yes my prediction remains to be seen if there is a dramatic effect. People can still leave nyc, the city can still grow in population and get terrible for surveillance free life. And people can still leave to avoid that. It doesn’t have to be a substantial event. It’s like ad blockers, a lot of people don’t use them doesn’t mean there aren’t a significant portion of the population that doesn’t like ads. And who cares if my circumstances are unique to the US or not. The article is about the US. So in the realm of reaction to increased surveillance, I’m referring to the US. But if we want to be pendantic, Mad Max doesn’t even occur in the US, so it’s not even a relevant comparison I would be making if I were making that comparison.
    - klyrs 2y ago
      Mad Max explores the possible consequences of your "I can shoot anything my bullets feel like hitting" brand of libertarianism. You can't invalidate an analogy by taking it quite so literally. Is my analogy a stretch? Yes, if you keep your bullets within your property line. But fantasizing about moving to the country where you can shoot whatever thing you don't like at this moment is an entire trope that is broadly painted with the Mad Max brush But your property line is irrelevant. You can't shoot down a high elevation surveillance drone. Drones with moderate elevation, at the property line, can take very high resolution pictures from a wealth of vantage points. Keep the bullets within your property line, and you've lost.
      - righthand 2y ago
        It’s not a fantasy, because a lot of people who move to the city, are from the country. People don’t care about every inch of life being surveillance free. They care about their square being a bastion for themselves.
- gruez 2y ago
  >>>People will move out of the cities onto land where they can remove/shoot down cameras. >Drones, country where owning a gun is right. Shooting down someone else's drones/cameras however, isn't.
  - righthand 2y ago
    It was on my property. Spying isn’t legal because you can fly a drone over my fence. My places have a right to defend yourself. How do I know it’s not an attack?
    - gruez 2y ago
      I'm not sure how you got the impression that the discussion was about cameras/drones on your property. The OP talked about "Cameras everywhere all the time. No more anonymity in public soon". It's clear that we're talking about other people's cameras in public spaces, not voyeurs trying to look in your bedroom.
      - righthand 2y ago
        How did I get that impression in my own reply chain where I made a point about it? Idk what you’re suggesting.
    - rad_gruchalski 2y ago
      Do you own the airspace above your property?
      - deleted 2y ago
        [deleted]
      - righthand 2y ago
        Who cares prove that it wasn’t on the ground when I destroyed it. My story will be: I saw it fall to the ground. When I walked up it looked like a bunch of spinning blades. I thought someone was attacking me so I destroyed the device.
Eumenes 2y ago
"Hackers" who love censorship, surveillance, content moderation, etc, are also overrepresented here (tech in general, really)

by klyrs 2y ago

> People will move out of the cities onto land where they can remove/shoot down cameras People interested in method Mad Max LARPing are significantly overrepresented on HN.

righthand 2y ago

Drones, country where owning a gun is right. I see no post apocalyptic societal leap needed to get to something like this happening. People interested in fiction as the only match for predictions, are significantly overrepresented on HN. Please reference at me that “life will find a way”.

klyrs 2y ago
Where you're certainly correct that "people" will move out to the country because of this, it's your insinuation that their number will be noteworthy that I find suspect. And, as it turns out, high prevalence of gun ownership and radically inappropriate use of guns is not unique to either the city nor the country.
- righthand 2y ago
  Yes my prediction remains to be seen if there is a dramatic effect. People can still leave nyc, the city can still grow in population and get terrible for surveillance free life. And people can still leave to avoid that. It doesn’t have to be a substantial event. It’s like ad blockers, a lot of people don’t use them doesn’t mean there aren’t a significant portion of the population that doesn’t like ads. And who cares if my circumstances are unique to the US or not. The article is about the US. So in the realm of reaction to increased surveillance, I’m referring to the US. But if we want to be pendantic, Mad Max doesn’t even occur in the US, so it’s not even a relevant comparison I would be making if I were making that comparison.
  - klyrs 2y ago
    Mad Max explores the possible consequences of your "I can shoot anything my bullets feel like hitting" brand of libertarianism. You can't invalidate an analogy by taking it quite so literally. Is my analogy a stretch? Yes, if you keep your bullets within your property line. But fantasizing about moving to the country where you can shoot whatever thing you don't like at this moment is an entire trope that is broadly painted with the Mad Max brush But your property line is irrelevant. You can't shoot down a high elevation surveillance drone. Drones with moderate elevation, at the property line, can take very high resolution pictures from a wealth of vantage points. Keep the bullets within your property line, and you've lost.
    - righthand 2y ago
      It’s not a fantasy, because a lot of people who move to the city, are from the country. People don’t care about every inch of life being surveillance free. They care about their square being a bastion for themselves.
gruez 2y ago
>>>People will move out of the cities onto land where they can remove/shoot down cameras. >Drones, country where owning a gun is right. Shooting down someone else's drones/cameras however, isn't.
- righthand 2y ago
  It was on my property. Spying isn’t legal because you can fly a drone over my fence. My places have a right to defend yourself. How do I know it’s not an attack?
  - gruez 2y ago
    I'm not sure how you got the impression that the discussion was about cameras/drones on your property. The OP talked about "Cameras everywhere all the time. No more anonymity in public soon". It's clear that we're talking about other people's cameras in public spaces, not voyeurs trying to look in your bedroom.
    - righthand 2y ago
      How did I get that impression in my own reply chain where I made a point about it? Idk what you’re suggesting.
  - rad_gruchalski 2y ago
    Do you own the airspace above your property?
    - deleted 2y ago
      [deleted]
    - righthand 2y ago
      Who cares prove that it wasn’t on the ground when I destroyed it. My story will be: I saw it fall to the ground. When I walked up it looked like a bunch of spinning blades. I thought someone was attacking me so I destroyed the device.

Eumenes 2y ago

"Hackers" who love censorship, surveillance, content moderation, etc, are also overrepresented here (tech in general, really)