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I would be upset. Wordpress is such a terrible platform to develop on, footguns and limitations in every implemented magic function. why would you even open the

I would be upset. Wordpress is such a terrible platform to develop on, footguns and limitations in every implemented magic function. why would you even open the door to Wordpress with so many better options?

Tomte 2y ago
You‘re not seriously asking why Automattic would use WordPress?
- righthand 2y ago
  Ah missed that bit of history I guess. It’s still a bad idea, just the amount of effort it takes to translate from one system to another. I’m currently doing this at my company but we’re leaving Wordpress and it’s an astronomical effort.
  - sigseg1v 2y ago
    I'm assuming that you are trying to keep your content, styling, and markup maintainable or even upgrade it as you move the pages though? I'd imagine this is a different scenario. The content created by users will be put through some AI transformation and it will be completely and utterly unmaintainable slop (and a significant portion of it would have already been that anyway before they started since it's user submitted). They aren't going to care that much if some edge cases break. Users can go fix that themselves. It seems much different to me than trying to delicately move something you care about.
remexre 2y ago
Automattic, the developers of Wordpress, currently own Tumblr.
- righthand 2y ago
  They should know how bad of an idea it is then. There is going to be so much broken from this migration.
  - spondylosaurus 2y ago
    The CEO of Automattic seems like he's been on an egomaniac kick lately, which makes me suspect that the (boneheaded) directive came from him and therefore no one with any sense has been able to shoot it down.
    - throwgfdtr2024 2y ago
      He's one of the least egomaniac CEOs in the entire industry. What do you imagine this move involves, infrastructurewise? Why is it boneheaded?
      - spondylosaurus 2y ago
        [flagged]
    - nox101 2y ago
      or they decided that the one time investment on conversion would pay off in the long run of only having to maintain one system going forward
      - spondylosaurus 2y ago
        Tumblr blogs are totally unlike WordPress blogs, though. Tumblr as a platform is a totally self-contained social media platform, with the addition of public-facing "blog"-style profiles. There's no way it'll be a straightforward conversion.
  - stephenr 2y ago
    These people created Wordpress and continue to base their business around it. Realising something is a bad idea technically isn't really in their bag of tricks.
    - righthand 2y ago
      Agreed they didn’t even try to keep their promise and be better custodians of Tumblr than Yahoo was. Now it’s all about content acquisition as they drain the database.
dleink 2y ago
I'm looking for a solution similar to wordpress but haven't really worked in this space. What's good out there?
- samtho 2y ago
  Ghost, but only if your primary focus is blogging (rather than a CMS or e-commerce platform).
  - RobotToaster 2y ago
    IMO ghost's lack of plugins really holds it back. If you want anything that isn't built in you have to either link to some third party SaaS or run another entire server program for it.
- righthand 2y ago
  There’s a pretty rich landscape of FOSS+SaaS type WYSIWYG editors out there. Aimed at being a either the complete package like Wordpress and Ghost or even some that try to integrate with your current stack (a backend but you provide the frontend), like ContentStack and Sanity or Payload. Even some strange inbetween providers that have features like “generate React component from figma design and import it into your codebase via copy/paste”, like builder.io.
- throwgfdtr2024 2y ago
  All of them and none of them. Because really we're talking about serving pages from content fragments in a SQL database, with a style separation and dynamic content constructs. It's not a radical idea; you can write your own thing that does only what you need it to, and that is an entirely appropriate way forward. You will end up solving a bunch of problems quite like WordPress does. All CMSes are at some level like WordPress, and yet there is nothing like WordPress. Because it's not about the application, it's about the tradition and ecosystem around the application.
- ebcode 2y ago
  check out Craft CMS
frereubu 2y ago
Because they'll be moving it to their own hosted version, wordpress.com, not allowing people to write their own code, or install different themes / plugins.

Tomte 2y ago

You‘re not seriously asking why Automattic would use WordPress?

righthand 2y ago
Ah missed that bit of history I guess. It’s still a bad idea, just the amount of effort it takes to translate from one system to another. I’m currently doing this at my company but we’re leaving Wordpress and it’s an astronomical effort.
- sigseg1v 2y ago
  I'm assuming that you are trying to keep your content, styling, and markup maintainable or even upgrade it as you move the pages though? I'd imagine this is a different scenario. The content created by users will be put through some AI transformation and it will be completely and utterly unmaintainable slop (and a significant portion of it would have already been that anyway before they started since it's user submitted). They aren't going to care that much if some edge cases break. Users can go fix that themselves. It seems much different to me than trying to delicately move something you care about.

remexre 2y ago

Automattic, the developers of Wordpress, currently own Tumblr.

righthand 2y ago
They should know how bad of an idea it is then. There is going to be so much broken from this migration.
- spondylosaurus 2y ago
  The CEO of Automattic seems like he's been on an egomaniac kick lately, which makes me suspect that the (boneheaded) directive came from him and therefore no one with any sense has been able to shoot it down.
  - throwgfdtr2024 2y ago
    He's one of the least egomaniac CEOs in the entire industry. What do you imagine this move involves, infrastructurewise? Why is it boneheaded?
    - spondylosaurus 2y ago
      [flagged]
  - nox101 2y ago
    or they decided that the one time investment on conversion would pay off in the long run of only having to maintain one system going forward
    - spondylosaurus 2y ago
      Tumblr blogs are totally unlike WordPress blogs, though. Tumblr as a platform is a totally self-contained social media platform, with the addition of public-facing "blog"-style profiles. There's no way it'll be a straightforward conversion.
- stephenr 2y ago
  These people created Wordpress and continue to base their business around it. Realising something is a bad idea technically isn't really in their bag of tricks.
  - righthand 2y ago
    Agreed they didn’t even try to keep their promise and be better custodians of Tumblr than Yahoo was. Now it’s all about content acquisition as they drain the database.

dleink 2y ago

I'm looking for a solution similar to wordpress but haven't really worked in this space. What's good out there?

samtho 2y ago
Ghost, but only if your primary focus is blogging (rather than a CMS or e-commerce platform).
- RobotToaster 2y ago
  IMO ghost's lack of plugins really holds it back. If you want anything that isn't built in you have to either link to some third party SaaS or run another entire server program for it.
righthand 2y ago
There’s a pretty rich landscape of FOSS+SaaS type WYSIWYG editors out there. Aimed at being a either the complete package like Wordpress and Ghost or even some that try to integrate with your current stack (a backend but you provide the frontend), like ContentStack and Sanity or Payload. Even some strange inbetween providers that have features like “generate React component from figma design and import it into your codebase via copy/paste”, like builder.io.
throwgfdtr2024 2y ago
All of them and none of them. Because really we're talking about serving pages from content fragments in a SQL database, with a style separation and dynamic content constructs. It's not a radical idea; you can write your own thing that does only what you need it to, and that is an entirely appropriate way forward. You will end up solving a bunch of problems quite like WordPress does. All CMSes are at some level like WordPress, and yet there is nothing like WordPress. Because it's not about the application, it's about the tradition and ecosystem around the application.
ebcode 2y ago
check out Craft CMS

frereubu 2y ago

Because they'll be moving it to their own hosted version, wordpress.com, not allowing people to write their own code, or install different themes / plugins.