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This makes me _not_ want to get a Tesla, just to avoid the inconvenience of getting my car towed because of what it _might_ have inside of it. And the opposite,

This makes me _not_ want to get a Tesla, just to avoid the inconvenience of getting my car towed because of what it _might_ have inside of it. And the opposite, doing what Ring is doing and simply streaming it to the police directly, might be easier but I still believe a major privacy concern. Sure, it could be helpful. But at what cost?

gruez 2y ago
>This makes me _not_ want to get a Tesla, just to avoid the inconvenience of getting my car towed because of what it _might_ have inside of it. From the article: >Therriault said he and other officers now frequently seek video from bystander Teslas, and usually get the owners’ consent to download it without having to serve a warrant. Still, he said, tows are sometimes necessary, if police can’t locate a Tesla owner and need the video “to pursue all leads.” They're not towing cars at first opportunity.
- bigstrat2003 2y ago
  The fact that they're doing it at all is completely unacceptable.
  - umeshunni 2y ago
    Sadly the politics of the Bay Area has led to a crime wave and most people feel differently.
  - gruez 2y ago
    Search warrants have existed forever, and allowed police to compel production of certain evidence. This includes breaking into residences or offices. I don't see how towing a car is any different. Unless you think search warrants themselves are "completely unacceptable", I don't see how towing teslas should be singled out.
    - snozolli 2y ago
      I don't see how towing a car is any different Before modern FISA courts, we generally had faith that a search warrant was warranted, based upon other investigation. From what the article said, this sounds more like a "fishing expedition".
      - gruez 2y ago
        They did investigate. A guy was stabbed nearby, and the car was suspected to be recording. On a more practical level, the car was recording a public area (ie. the road) anyways, so it's not like that much privacy was lost by granting access to the video.
        snozolli 2y ago
        and the car was suspected to be recording That's the fishing expedition part. Again, from what the article said, there was no particular reason to believe it was in Sentry mode. I don't know why you're bringing up privacy.
    - cabbageicefruit 2y ago
      Towing cars at all without a very crucial reason should be illegal in general. Taking someone’s transportation that they assume they have access to, without their knowledge, and without them being able to find out until the very second they need that transportation is dangerous. Emergencies happen. If you’re taking someone’s car you better have a damn good reason. And “you accidentally parked in the wrong parking spot doesn’t clear that hurdle. That’s what tickets are for. “Really wanting to see the recordings from your car camera” doesn’t clear that hurdle either.
      - mdorazio 2y ago
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        kjkjadksj 2y ago
  - dylan604 2y ago
    Very much this. Towing by the police should only be something done when the car is in violation of something. I did not see anything about the expense of retrieving the car. You took the person's car so there is definite expense of getting there. Did you force the person to miss a flight, a meeting, a date? WTF do these people think they are so above and beyond rational thought is ridiculous.
    - gruez 2y ago
      >Very much this. Towing by the police should only be something done when the car is in violation of something. If the police has a search warrant for your home and you're not there, they can break in, even if you're not "in violation of something". I don't see how this is any different.
      - dylan604 2y ago
        I don't have to make arrangements to go get my home when it is searched. Also, if you're searching my house, more than likely, I'm directly involved in something. They don't break into my house to get my Ring footage, which is much more equivalent in your attempt equating these disparate concepts. You've now made an innocent civilian incur ridiculous fees to get their car out of impound when there was no reason to impound it to begin with. You could just as easily boot the car and wait for the owner to return. It's not like this was a long term parking spot. There are just so many options other than tow this innocent car.
        gruez 2y ago
        >I don't have to make arrangements to go get my home when it is searched They could however, break your door (if you're not there to let them in), and AFAIK they're not responsible for getting it fixed. >Also, if you're searching my house, more than likely, I'm directly involved in something. That's irrelevant. The standard for a search warrant is "probable cause" regardless. >They don't break into my house to get my Ring footage, which is much more equivalent in your attempt equating these disparate concepts. ...because the ring footage isn't in your house, it's in the cloud. Moreover, if you have an on-premise system and you're on vacation or something, it's plausible that they get a search warrant and break in, especially if they think time is of the essence (eg. your system has limited retention and the footage is going to be wiped). >You could just as easily boot the car and wait for the owner to return. If you read the article the police claims that it's only used if they can't locate the owner. It's unclear what that exactly means, but it's not like they're towing every tesla near the crime scene.
- conception 2y ago
  So they say in the interview. Irregardless, if I own a car and it is legal for the police to take it so they can hold onto it until they have a warrant of I give in? No thanks.
  - gruez 2y ago
    >Irregardless, if I own a car and it is legal for the police to take it so they can hold onto it until they have a warrant of I give in? The article says they got the warrant before towing it.
tamimio 2y ago
My car isn’t a Tesla, and the dashcam has a “parking mode” that records everything while parked. So, do that, don’t get a Tesla, and never get towed to access the camera.
- gruez 2y ago
  If the police sees the dashcam and suspects that there's footage on there, they can apply for a search warrant and seize that footage as well. It's unclear why they needed to tow the tesla in the first place. The article says that the footage is on a USB drive, so presumably they could just pull it out and make a copy. If they're towing it because they couldn't locate the owner and want to open the car non-destructively, then your suggestion of not driving a dashcam and using a tesla probably isn't going to save you either.
  - teslacams 2y ago
    Search warrant for what ? Is footage of something illegal illegal too ?
    - teslacams 2y ago
      .. or do they have a right to see everything else that could be recorded on that cam just like that ?

gruez 2y ago

>This makes me _not_ want to get a Tesla, just to avoid the inconvenience of getting my car towed because of what it _might_ have inside of it. From the article: >Therriault said he and other officers now frequently seek video from bystander Teslas, and usually get the owners’ consent to download it without having to serve a warrant. Still, he said, tows are sometimes necessary, if police can’t locate a Tesla owner and need the video “to pursue all leads.” They're not towing cars at first opportunity.

bigstrat2003 2y ago
The fact that they're doing it at all is completely unacceptable.
- umeshunni 2y ago
  Sadly the politics of the Bay Area has led to a crime wave and most people feel differently.
- gruez 2y ago
  Search warrants have existed forever, and allowed police to compel production of certain evidence. This includes breaking into residences or offices. I don't see how towing a car is any different. Unless you think search warrants themselves are "completely unacceptable", I don't see how towing teslas should be singled out.
  - snozolli 2y ago
    I don't see how towing a car is any different Before modern FISA courts, we generally had faith that a search warrant was warranted, based upon other investigation. From what the article said, this sounds more like a "fishing expedition".
    - gruez 2y ago
      They did investigate. A guy was stabbed nearby, and the car was suspected to be recording. On a more practical level, the car was recording a public area (ie. the road) anyways, so it's not like that much privacy was lost by granting access to the video.
      - snozolli 2y ago
        and the car was suspected to be recording That's the fishing expedition part. Again, from what the article said, there was no particular reason to believe it was in Sentry mode. I don't know why you're bringing up privacy.
  - cabbageicefruit 2y ago
    Towing cars at all without a very crucial reason should be illegal in general. Taking someone’s transportation that they assume they have access to, without their knowledge, and without them being able to find out until the very second they need that transportation is dangerous. Emergencies happen. If you’re taking someone’s car you better have a damn good reason. And “you accidentally parked in the wrong parking spot doesn’t clear that hurdle. That’s what tickets are for. “Really wanting to see the recordings from your car camera” doesn’t clear that hurdle either.
    - mdorazio 2y ago
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      - kjkjadksj 2y ago
- dylan604 2y ago
  Very much this. Towing by the police should only be something done when the car is in violation of something. I did not see anything about the expense of retrieving the car. You took the person's car so there is definite expense of getting there. Did you force the person to miss a flight, a meeting, a date? WTF do these people think they are so above and beyond rational thought is ridiculous.
  - gruez 2y ago
    >Very much this. Towing by the police should only be something done when the car is in violation of something. If the police has a search warrant for your home and you're not there, they can break in, even if you're not "in violation of something". I don't see how this is any different.
    - dylan604 2y ago
      I don't have to make arrangements to go get my home when it is searched. Also, if you're searching my house, more than likely, I'm directly involved in something. They don't break into my house to get my Ring footage, which is much more equivalent in your attempt equating these disparate concepts. You've now made an innocent civilian incur ridiculous fees to get their car out of impound when there was no reason to impound it to begin with. You could just as easily boot the car and wait for the owner to return. It's not like this was a long term parking spot. There are just so many options other than tow this innocent car.
      - gruez 2y ago
        >I don't have to make arrangements to go get my home when it is searched They could however, break your door (if you're not there to let them in), and AFAIK they're not responsible for getting it fixed. >Also, if you're searching my house, more than likely, I'm directly involved in something. That's irrelevant. The standard for a search warrant is "probable cause" regardless. >They don't break into my house to get my Ring footage, which is much more equivalent in your attempt equating these disparate concepts. ...because the ring footage isn't in your house, it's in the cloud. Moreover, if you have an on-premise system and you're on vacation or something, it's plausible that they get a search warrant and break in, especially if they think time is of the essence (eg. your system has limited retention and the footage is going to be wiped). >You could just as easily boot the car and wait for the owner to return. If you read the article the police claims that it's only used if they can't locate the owner. It's unclear what that exactly means, but it's not like they're towing every tesla near the crime scene.
conception 2y ago
So they say in the interview. Irregardless, if I own a car and it is legal for the police to take it so they can hold onto it until they have a warrant of I give in? No thanks.
- gruez 2y ago
  >Irregardless, if I own a car and it is legal for the police to take it so they can hold onto it until they have a warrant of I give in? The article says they got the warrant before towing it.

tamimio 2y ago

My car isn’t a Tesla, and the dashcam has a “parking mode” that records everything while parked. So, do that, don’t get a Tesla, and never get towed to access the camera.

gruez 2y ago
If the police sees the dashcam and suspects that there's footage on there, they can apply for a search warrant and seize that footage as well. It's unclear why they needed to tow the tesla in the first place. The article says that the footage is on a USB drive, so presumably they could just pull it out and make a copy. If they're towing it because they couldn't locate the owner and want to open the car non-destructively, then your suggestion of not driving a dashcam and using a tesla probably isn't going to save you either.
- teslacams 2y ago
  Search warrant for what ? Is footage of something illegal illegal too ?
  - teslacams 2y ago
    .. or do they have a right to see everything else that could be recorded on that cam just like that ?