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There are people who believe that their job is more important than anything else and that they deserve to have the "sudo tools" so they can override any protect
by mrtksn 2y ago
There are people who believe that their job is more important than anything else and that they deserve to have the "sudo tools" so they can override any protection to catch the bad people and that they are respected mature people so it is OK to grant them with these privileges, they will be careful and won't abuse it.
Obviously that's bad idea and a bad practice as we know it from IT systems.
Maybe their intentions are good but even proposing something like that should be considered a ground for dismissal. EU, USA etc. are not startups, these are not newly forming countries that full stack politicians need the sharpest tools to make something great quickly. Those are established, sophisticated institutions that must move slowly and be risk averse and there's no space for sharp tools like these and the problems need to be solved through navigating the complex structure.
Maybe wouldn't be as fun as running Turkmenistan, maybe they will lag behind this emerging unicorn called China in some respect but that's how very large and complex structures have to operate. The new kids on the block will end up exactly the same if they are successful and mature beyond the hype.
- dandanua 2y ago> There are people who believe that their job is more important than anything else and that they deserve to have the "sudo tools" I don't care in what they believe or how they explain they need in the total control over you. In fact, it's just a slavery, and I'm sure internally they know that and they like that. For some people it's the meaning of life to achieve that kind of power over other people. Unfortunately, a lot of such people achieve this goal nowadays.
- poincaredisk 2y agoYou assume a lot of bad intent where there is (usualy) none. I worked with people related to cybercrime investigation a lot, and they are always driven by idea to help people. But when you see for a hundredth time that a struggling single mother loses her life savings because she fell victim to a phishing scam, you start being angry at the criminals. And when you invest months of your life to locate the perpetrator, and the investigation is thwarted by, let's say, encrypted chats, you start blaming the tools. Now, I (obviously) don't agree with this, just trying to explain how something like chat control could be proposed in good faith by someone.
- dandanua 2y ago> a struggling single mother loses her life savings because she fell victim to a phishing scam I thought the banking system was designed to reverse transactions (unlike cryptocurrencies). Why do you need finding the scammer for that?
- mrtksn 2y agoScammers don't keep their money in the account they used to scam people into wiring their money in. A common case is to use other people's accounts(sometimes stolen, sometimes rented) or purchase something like crypto, gold or anything else that is expensive and easy to move. Often times the seller also doesn't know they are selling to a scammer, there's this technique where the scammers will give the account number of a seller to their victim, the victim will wire the money and the scammers at the same time will be pretending to be buyers and claim that they just wired the money and therefore the transaction is complete and they leave with the scammed money laundered in form of something valuable.
- dandanua 2y agoSo, in short, scammers can launder money in minutes, but investigators need months to track them and reverse everything. Yet, I don't think ChatControl will solve anything.
- mrtksn 2y agoI agree, it won't solve anything. Maybe in short term some idiots will get caught but the criminals will quickly learn their lesson and use other tools and avoid the surveilled ones.