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I am in favor of ChatControl for politicians only: https://europeanconservative.com/articles/news/two-agencies-slam-von-der-leyen-over-transparency-failures/ h

by tmpccc 2y ago

I am in favor of ChatControl for politicians only: https://europeanconservative.com/articles/news/two-agencies-slam-von-der-leyen-over-transparency-failures/ https://europeanconservative.com/articles/news/two-agencies-... "The Ombudsman accused von der Leyen and the Commission of ‘maladministration’ for failing to produce the deleted text messages, challenging the belief that such texts did not qualify as ‘documents’ under EU law."

tebbers 2y ago
Same problem in the UK. Boris Johnson claimed he lost his phone and then it got wiped. Rishi Sunak similarly.
- moffkalast 2y ago
  The dog ate it! I lost it in a tragic boating accident!
xinayder 2y ago
And yet, they included a clause in the law that government should be excluded from this state surveillance.
- dekken_ 2y ago
  It's almost as if they suspect everyone else is similarly, a criminal.
rurban 2y ago
That would be even worse. The government only really wants to observe the messages of their political opponents, nobody else. Then they the can blackmail them as they want. As the American do in their corrupt surveillance state.
- tankenmate 2y ago
  So much cynicism that doesn't actually reflect the reality; maybe it reflects the reality in a pseudo democracy.
mrtksn 2y ago
Funny enough, that's actually a sound proposal and is "somewhat" implemented as high ranking officials are expected to always be with someone documenting their acts. It is usually considered scandalous when they ditch their translator or secretary and talk with other high ranking officials in complete secrecy. It makes all the sense to have politicians %100 monitored %100 of the time. Store it in encrypted blackbox and if something big enough happens, then unlock it.
- ajsnigrutin 2y ago
  Let's be fair, in a real democracy, there would be no government secrets... I mean.. we're paying for all that, we need to know. Imagine being an owner of a company, and having some middle managers talking stuff in secret and saying that you don't need to know stuff, just let them use the money, and you don't even get to see the contracts.
  - mrtksn 2y ago
    There would be government secrets as long as there's more that 1 country. Also, unlike companies countries have subjects can be bad actors and there's no way to get rid of, so some stuff will have to a secret even if the world is run by a single government.
  - cjpearson 2y ago
    It's not too different in the corporate world. I'm an owner of Apple, Google, Microsoft and others and they refuse to divulge their secrets to me. I can't see their contracts, strategy documents or root passwords.
    - floydnoel 2y ago
      you have a choice of whether to own Apple or Google. the government offers no such choice, it is a monopoly. the government is not a corporation.
      - tankenmate 2y ago
zelphirkalt 2y ago
And it is almost guaranteed in the event this ever passes, that politicians would be one of the few, who would not be monitored.

by tmpccc 2y ago

tebbers 2y ago

Same problem in the UK. Boris Johnson claimed he lost his phone and then it got wiped. Rishi Sunak similarly.

moffkalast 2y ago
The dog ate it! I lost it in a tragic boating accident!

xinayder 2y ago

And yet, they included a clause in the law that government should be excluded from this state surveillance.

dekken_ 2y ago
It's almost as if they suspect everyone else is similarly, a criminal.

rurban 2y ago

That would be even worse. The government only really wants to observe the messages of their political opponents, nobody else. Then they the can blackmail them as they want. As the American do in their corrupt surveillance state.

tankenmate 2y ago
So much cynicism that doesn't actually reflect the reality; maybe it reflects the reality in a pseudo democracy.

mrtksn 2y ago

Funny enough, that's actually a sound proposal and is "somewhat" implemented as high ranking officials are expected to always be with someone documenting their acts. It is usually considered scandalous when they ditch their translator or secretary and talk with other high ranking officials in complete secrecy. It makes all the sense to have politicians %100 monitored %100 of the time. Store it in encrypted blackbox and if something big enough happens, then unlock it.

ajsnigrutin 2y ago
Let's be fair, in a real democracy, there would be no government secrets... I mean.. we're paying for all that, we need to know. Imagine being an owner of a company, and having some middle managers talking stuff in secret and saying that you don't need to know stuff, just let them use the money, and you don't even get to see the contracts.
- mrtksn 2y ago
  There would be government secrets as long as there's more that 1 country. Also, unlike companies countries have subjects can be bad actors and there's no way to get rid of, so some stuff will have to a secret even if the world is run by a single government.
- cjpearson 2y ago
  It's not too different in the corporate world. I'm an owner of Apple, Google, Microsoft and others and they refuse to divulge their secrets to me. I can't see their contracts, strategy documents or root passwords.
  - floydnoel 2y ago
    you have a choice of whether to own Apple or Google. the government offers no such choice, it is a monopoly. the government is not a corporation.
    - tankenmate 2y ago

zelphirkalt 2y ago

And it is almost guaranteed in the event this ever passes, that politicians would be one of the few, who would not be monitored.