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We consider this smart and intelligent, but many people don't want to admit that LLMs are intelligent?

egypturnash 2y ago
There’s no CEOs excitedly talking about how crows will take over all the work that they’re currently paying humans to do, and how it is absolutely imperative that we allow them to ignore the fact that “shoveling all the data they can find into a for-profit turbo-autocomplete made up of trained crows” may be within the letter of fair use laws, but sure feels well outside the spirit of them.
- mewpmewp2 2y ago
  How do CEOs talking anything relate to an intelligence of a thing?
- mulmen 2y ago
  Are crows better suited to search than pigeons? https://archive.google/pigeonrank/ https://archive.google/pigeonrank/
hiracat 2y ago
I think its because animals are many interconnected systems or models which are made to create "intelligent" behavior, like one for speak one for movement and alike. LLMs are trained purely off text, so they are more similar to a very simple animal that only has one type of inputs and outputs like a worm that only knows where its body is and then where it wants to be. LLMs are also only trained for a short period of time, and thats when something interesting is going on and its able to learn and change. We then take a snapshot of it and give it different inputs to get some result instead of to teach it something. I would say that a crow brain that has been frozen and can only get a certain amount of inputs and then only produce a certain amount of outputs is not intelligent.
- mewpmewp2 2y ago
  But you can also give audio and video to multimodal LLMs - although it does become odd to call them LLMs then. And in theory you could give any sensory input data.
  - hiracat 2y ago
    You could, and I do think that the more ways they have to get input the more "alive" they will be, but my point in freezing the model in time and then just running inference on it still stands.
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There’s no CEOs excitedly talking about how crows will take over all the work that they’re currently paying humans to do, and how it is absolutely imperative that we allow them to ignore the fact that “shoveling all the data they can find into a for-profit turbo-autocomplete made up of trained crows” may be within the letter of fair use laws, but sure feels well outside the spirit of them.

mewpmewp2 2y ago
How do CEOs talking anything relate to an intelligence of a thing?
mulmen 2y ago
Are crows better suited to search than pigeons? https://archive.google/pigeonrank/ https://archive.google/pigeonrank/

hiracat 2y ago

I think its because animals are many interconnected systems or models which are made to create "intelligent" behavior, like one for speak one for movement and alike. LLMs are trained purely off text, so they are more similar to a very simple animal that only has one type of inputs and outputs like a worm that only knows where its body is and then where it wants to be. LLMs are also only trained for a short period of time, and thats when something interesting is going on and its able to learn and change. We then take a snapshot of it and give it different inputs to get some result instead of to teach it something. I would say that a crow brain that has been frozen and can only get a certain amount of inputs and then only produce a certain amount of outputs is not intelligent.

mewpmewp2 2y ago
But you can also give audio and video to multimodal LLMs - although it does become odd to call them LLMs then. And in theory you could give any sensory input data.
- hiracat 2y ago
  You could, and I do think that the more ways they have to get input the more "alive" they will be, but my point in freezing the model in time and then just running inference on it still stands.

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