> I agree it's garbage, but on the other hand all fifty or so filesystems in the kernel seem to get by without it, and have done for as long as the API has exis

> I agree it's garbage, but on the other hand all fifty or so filesystems in the kernel seem to get by without it, and have done for as long as the API has existed. Have they? I mean what we know from Asahi Lina is that other subsystems need help. That DRM is mostly garbage that needs fixing. > Rust doesn't even have a specification ... still ... a year after deciding one was necessary ... so fingers point both directions here. I'm not sure that's a great example. Especially re: C, with UB all over the place. C says "Sure we have a spec! It doesn't cover that much, and compiler writers are eager as hell to break your bounds checks." > Until someone sits down and deploys sufficient empathy to figure out how to appeal to their priorities, good things will continue not to happen for Rust-for-Linux. No amount of technical evidence will do the job. I think somebody needs to lead this project FFS. Either Linus or GKH. Someone needs to either make it happen or dump it. Screwing around with these Rust devs for years is effed up behavior.