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In what way? Musk decides what's OK and not OK on twitter. Twitter isn't a platform to promote democracy, it promotes what Musk wants. Twitter has turned into

In what way? Musk decides what's OK and not OK on twitter. Twitter isn't a platform to promote democracy, it promotes what Musk wants. Twitter has turned into hot garbage. For years my feed was pretty clean as it's almost exclusively tech. Gave it up recently as it was clogged with right-wing conspiracy, odd videos and random made up AI young women randomly following me occasionally.

aftbit 2y ago
In the way that Brazil has ordered Apple and Google to delete VPN apps from users' phones?
yummybear 2y ago
Don’t forget unsolicited porn and videos of soldiers being blown up
hereme888 2y ago
That's ridiculous. You think Elon Musk goes around reading people's tweets and deciding what he wants or not? Or trained an AI model to only allow content that suits him? The guy literally gets community-noted every once in a while. It's free speech.
- hungie 2y ago
  Try saying "cisgender" on Twitter, of course the guy is moderating speech he personally doesn't like. It's not difficult to observe.
  - spinach 2y ago
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    - hereme888 2y ago
      They cared about left-speech, which is the only type of real free speech. Everything else is intolerance and must be banned, for the safety of everyone's emotions...or something like that.
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      - pcwalton 2y ago
        Right. The issue is not that Musk is putting his finger on the scale for the political right per se--it's his site and he has the right to do that. The issue is that he claims to be supporting "free speech" while doing so. To my knowledge, nobody at Twitter prior to Musk's takeover claimed the site was for "free speech".
        hungie 2y ago
        Exactly.
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  - hereme888 2y ago
    So Elon Musk getting community-noted is him moderating speech he doesn't like?
    - meiraleal 2y ago
      Elon Musk getting communit-noted is a fake way to pretend he could also be wrong but xitter is so great that it helps him fixes his biases.
    - hungie 2y ago
      You assume that's speech he doesn't like.
- NomDePlum 2y ago
  What's the relationship between twitter and free speech? I genuinely don't see that argument.
  - hereme888 2y ago
    Not allowing secret manipulation by the deep state, corrupt states, or removal of speech that doesn't cater to extremist sensitivities. It's the reason for the entire news post we're all commenting on.
  - guywithahat 2y ago
    When Elon first bought Twitter, they released a bunch of information on how governments (specifically the US government) was pressuring Twitter to remove content, often for political reasons (i.e. it was a conservative account, etc). He stopped doing that, and generally supports free speech on the platform; sort of in a 2008 reddit way
inglor_cz 2y ago
It is not just about X. A nation of almost 200 million was deprived of mobile VPN use by decision of a single person.
Wytwwww 2y ago
Sure, I can't really argue with any of that. How is it even remotely relevant in this case though?
Georgelemental 2y ago
If you don’t like Musk’s platform, feel free not to use it. Nobody is forcing you to. But if you try to lock me in a cell when I decide to use it, you are attacking my freedoms.
- meiraleal 2y ago
  Musk deciding to not have a legal representative in Brazil attacked your freedom, which is the consequence of his acts.
  - IG_Semmelweiss 2y ago
    A god-king sidestepping applicable law, attacked the freedoms of brazilians today. That's the real origin story. Here is each law being broken by the judge: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39966382 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39966382
diegoholiveira 2y ago
> In what way? Musk decides what's OK and not OK on twitter. Before Musk, others were doing the same, but on the other side of the political spectrum from where Musk is now. Nothing new.

aftbit 2y ago

In the way that Brazil has ordered Apple and Google to delete VPN apps from users' phones?

yummybear 2y ago

Don’t forget unsolicited porn and videos of soldiers being blown up

hereme888 2y ago

That's ridiculous. You think Elon Musk goes around reading people's tweets and deciding what he wants or not? Or trained an AI model to only allow content that suits him? The guy literally gets community-noted every once in a while. It's free speech.

hungie 2y ago
Try saying "cisgender" on Twitter, of course the guy is moderating speech he personally doesn't like. It's not difficult to observe.
- spinach 2y ago
  [flagged]
  - hereme888 2y ago
    They cared about left-speech, which is the only type of real free speech. Everything else is intolerance and must be banned, for the safety of everyone's emotions...or something like that.
  - hungie 2y ago
    [flagged]
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    - pcwalton 2y ago
      Right. The issue is not that Musk is putting his finger on the scale for the political right per se--it's his site and he has the right to do that. The issue is that he claims to be supporting "free speech" while doing so. To my knowledge, nobody at Twitter prior to Musk's takeover claimed the site was for "free speech".
      - hungie 2y ago
        Exactly.
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    - femiod 2y ago
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- hereme888 2y ago
  So Elon Musk getting community-noted is him moderating speech he doesn't like?
  - meiraleal 2y ago
    Elon Musk getting communit-noted is a fake way to pretend he could also be wrong but xitter is so great that it helps him fixes his biases.
  - hungie 2y ago
    You assume that's speech he doesn't like.
NomDePlum 2y ago
What's the relationship between twitter and free speech? I genuinely don't see that argument.
- hereme888 2y ago
  Not allowing secret manipulation by the deep state, corrupt states, or removal of speech that doesn't cater to extremist sensitivities. It's the reason for the entire news post we're all commenting on.
- guywithahat 2y ago
  When Elon first bought Twitter, they released a bunch of information on how governments (specifically the US government) was pressuring Twitter to remove content, often for political reasons (i.e. it was a conservative account, etc). He stopped doing that, and generally supports free speech on the platform; sort of in a 2008 reddit way

inglor_cz 2y ago

It is not just about X. A nation of almost 200 million was deprived of mobile VPN use by decision of a single person.

Wytwwww 2y ago

Sure, I can't really argue with any of that. How is it even remotely relevant in this case though?

Georgelemental 2y ago

If you don’t like Musk’s platform, feel free not to use it. Nobody is forcing you to. But if you try to lock me in a cell when I decide to use it, you are attacking my freedoms.

meiraleal 2y ago
Musk deciding to not have a legal representative in Brazil attacked your freedom, which is the consequence of his acts.
- IG_Semmelweiss 2y ago
  A god-king sidestepping applicable law, attacked the freedoms of brazilians today. That's the real origin story. Here is each law being broken by the judge: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39966382 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39966382

diegoholiveira 2y ago

> In what way? Musk decides what's OK and not OK on twitter. Before Musk, others were doing the same, but on the other side of the political spectrum from where Musk is now. Nothing new.