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Is it normal that a judge can impose such blanket fines on users?

by sva_ 2y ago

Natsu 2y ago
This guy is the head of the STF, the highest court in Brazil, so he's kinda doing an "I am the law" bit here. That said, I do think that judges in Brazil can have a larger investigative role due to the different legal system that does not happen in other countries with more separation of powers to prevent exactly this sort of thing.
- IG_Semmelweiss 2y ago
  That's not the case. The law as it applies, is thoroughly explained here. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39966382 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39966382
  - Natsu 2y ago
    To be clear, I think Moraes is out of control in this case.
matheusmoreira 2y ago
This is Brazil. That guy is a judge-god-king. Whatever he writes on a piece of paper becomes law. Saddest part is even on HN you will find brazilians supporting everything he does.
- IG_Semmelweiss 2y ago
  Lets be fair now. It was not like this as far as I can tell, before Lava Jato. Its just that the executive and legislative are now so weakened due to corruption scandals (and open investigations) that no one seemingly dares to move against 1 wild judge. I wonder how this ends though. 1 judge seemingly has more power now than a set of democratically elected senators
  - matheusmoreira 2y ago
    It's been like this since always. "Doctors think they're gods, judges know". My legal medicine professor, a coroner, told me that during a class. It got worse in 2019. Some magazine ran a damning article on them. In retaliation, they granted themselves virtually limitless power to investigate, prosecute, judge and punish "fake news" of all kinds, with themselves as the victims. They determine what's fake of course. Their powers just kept expanding until they essentially usurped everything. It got to the point this judge started proposing changes to laws directly to our representatives. The changes were rejected but he just rammed the "fake news" nonsense down our throats anyway via his "resolutions". It's under the umbrella of this "fake news" inquisition that the judge-king banned X in Brazil. And not a single politician will move against them. Precisely because they're all so hopelessly corrupt. All the judges need to do to put them in the ground is unearth one of countless corruption scandals. This is not a democracy, it's a dictatorship of the judiciary. Unelected judge-kings with lifetime mandates whose pens directly make the people with guns do their bidding. It's kind of ridiculous to even discuss "laws" at this point. These guys could write whatever they want on a piece of paper and it becomes law. Even more context: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39966382 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39966382 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36543423 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36543423

Is it normal that a judge can impose such blanket fines on users?

by sva_ 2y ago

Is it normal that a judge can impose such blanket fines on users?

This guy is the head of the STF, the highest court in Brazil, so he's kinda doing an "I am the law" bit here. That said, I do think that judges in Brazil can have a larger investigative role due to the different legal system that does not happen in other countries with more separation of powers to prevent exactly this sort of thing.

IG_Semmelweiss 2y ago
That's not the case. The law as it applies, is thoroughly explained here. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39966382 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39966382
- Natsu 2y ago
  To be clear, I think Moraes is out of control in this case.

matheusmoreira 2y ago

This is Brazil. That guy is a judge-god-king. Whatever he writes on a piece of paper becomes law. Saddest part is even on HN you will find brazilians supporting everything he does.

IG_Semmelweiss 2y ago
Lets be fair now. It was not like this as far as I can tell, before Lava Jato. Its just that the executive and legislative are now so weakened due to corruption scandals (and open investigations) that no one seemingly dares to move against 1 wild judge. I wonder how this ends though. 1 judge seemingly has more power now than a set of democratically elected senators
- matheusmoreira 2y ago
  It's been like this since always. "Doctors think they're gods, judges know". My legal medicine professor, a coroner, told me that during a class. It got worse in 2019. Some magazine ran a damning article on them. In retaliation, they granted themselves virtually limitless power to investigate, prosecute, judge and punish "fake news" of all kinds, with themselves as the victims. They determine what's fake of course. Their powers just kept expanding until they essentially usurped everything. It got to the point this judge started proposing changes to laws directly to our representatives. The changes were rejected but he just rammed the "fake news" nonsense down our throats anyway via his "resolutions". It's under the umbrella of this "fake news" inquisition that the judge-king banned X in Brazil. And not a single politician will move against them. Precisely because they're all so hopelessly corrupt. All the judges need to do to put them in the ground is unearth one of countless corruption scandals. This is not a democracy, it's a dictatorship of the judiciary. Unelected judge-kings with lifetime mandates whose pens directly make the people with guns do their bidding. It's kind of ridiculous to even discuss "laws" at this point. These guys could write whatever they want on a piece of paper and it becomes law. Even more context: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39966382 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39966382 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36543423 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36543423