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“Twitter doesn’t have a choice but to obey local governments. If we don’t obey local government laws, we will get shut down" - Elon Musk on decision to follow

“Twitter doesn’t have a choice but to obey local governments. If we don’t obey local government laws, we will get shut down" - Elon Musk on decision to follow Modi's requests for censorship https://www.business-standard.com/technology/tech-news/twitter-has-no-choice-but-to-obey-local-laws-in-every-country-elon-musk-123062101371_1.html https://www.business-standard.com/technology/tech-news/twitt...

seydor 2y ago
This is not the government
- hungie 2y ago
  The parent is saying Musk complied with these requests elsewhere without complaint, he's only making a fuss about it in Brazil. It's an odd hypocrisy or shift in strategy.
  - seydor 2y ago
    strategy about what? Elon isn't bound by some personal institutional law, he acts according to his whims. Even if we assume he was being hypocritical, the severe response from the judge makes the latter seem like he has ulterior motives ps. every major company has applied double standards wrt censorship requests in the past, the subject has a long history
    - hungie 2y ago
      Strategy about complying with censorship requests. He's happy to do so when it aligns with his politics, and makes a huge fuss when he it doesn't. As a distant observer, it seems wild to me that anyone thinks this is about free speech.
  - wmil 2y ago
    X has an office in Bengaluru that does engineering, so leaving India would be non-trivial. Also Modi is an elected popular leader. India's censorship laws have been passed through the normal means. If Musk pushed back most Indian institutions would rally against him. de Moraes is a chief justice making decrees that it's not clear he has the power to make. He's doing it in an unhinged fashion. Getting out of the country until things cool down is probably the smart move.
- consumer451 2y ago
  For the record, if Musk is to be believed, the requests from the government stink IMO. However, the judge making this ruling is part of the government and setting the law, is he not?
diegoholiveira 2y ago
I don't know about India, but in Brazil, the requests sent to X (Twitter) have no legal basis, that is, they are illegal by nature. The entire process that resulted in this blocking is secret and not even the defense lawyers had access to the investigation.
- consumer451 2y ago
  I am not sure about India either, but according to my extensive legal training from looking at this wiki entry... it appears to be legal, yet probably unconstitutional. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_India https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_India
blackeyeblitzar 2y ago
I am not sure why people keep bringing up Turkey or India as a justification for authoritarianism in Brazil. The orders for content takedowns in India were more obviously legal and were not done in secret, but in full public view with clear avenues for legal challenge. On the other hand, in Brazil Alexandre de Moraes sits on two different courts at the same time and claims that one court gave him the power to unilaterally censor/ban/arrest people in secret from the other court. It is obviously a farce, even to the slightest investigation. Twitter/X is correct to challenge it since it isn’t legal within Brazil.

seydor 2y ago

This is not the government

hungie 2y ago
The parent is saying Musk complied with these requests elsewhere without complaint, he's only making a fuss about it in Brazil. It's an odd hypocrisy or shift in strategy.
- seydor 2y ago
  strategy about what? Elon isn't bound by some personal institutional law, he acts according to his whims. Even if we assume he was being hypocritical, the severe response from the judge makes the latter seem like he has ulterior motives ps. every major company has applied double standards wrt censorship requests in the past, the subject has a long history
  - hungie 2y ago
    Strategy about complying with censorship requests. He's happy to do so when it aligns with his politics, and makes a huge fuss when he it doesn't. As a distant observer, it seems wild to me that anyone thinks this is about free speech.
- wmil 2y ago
  X has an office in Bengaluru that does engineering, so leaving India would be non-trivial. Also Modi is an elected popular leader. India's censorship laws have been passed through the normal means. If Musk pushed back most Indian institutions would rally against him. de Moraes is a chief justice making decrees that it's not clear he has the power to make. He's doing it in an unhinged fashion. Getting out of the country until things cool down is probably the smart move.
consumer451 2y ago
For the record, if Musk is to be believed, the requests from the government stink IMO. However, the judge making this ruling is part of the government and setting the law, is he not?

diegoholiveira 2y ago

I don't know about India, but in Brazil, the requests sent to X (Twitter) have no legal basis, that is, they are illegal by nature. The entire process that resulted in this blocking is secret and not even the defense lawyers had access to the investigation.

consumer451 2y ago
I am not sure about India either, but according to my extensive legal training from looking at this wiki entry... it appears to be legal, yet probably unconstitutional. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_India https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_India

blackeyeblitzar 2y ago

I am not sure why people keep bringing up Turkey or India as a justification for authoritarianism in Brazil. The orders for content takedowns in India were more obviously legal and were not done in secret, but in full public view with clear avenues for legal challenge. On the other hand, in Brazil Alexandre de Moraes sits on two different courts at the same time and claims that one court gave him the power to unilaterally censor/ban/arrest people in secret from the other court. It is obviously a farce, even to the slightest investigation. Twitter/X is correct to challenge it since it isn’t legal within Brazil.