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Came to say the same thing. The supposed backwards parts are seeming charming the longer I live in Canada. Having a sovereign language has allowed it to avoid

by jbm 2y ago

Came to say the same thing. The supposed backwards parts are seeming charming the longer I live in Canada. Having a sovereign language has allowed it to avoid so much brainrot in our culture today.

jperras 2y ago
Québecois here. We've been trying to tell the rest of Canada this for _decades_.
- jbm 2y ago
  I mostly agree. Still, being a minority from Montreal who left and found life in Japan significantly less alienating, I hesitate to agree wholeheartedly.
  - jperras 2y ago
    Very fair. The line between conscientious preservation and alienation can be (and often is) an easy one to cross.
ben_w 2y ago
> Having a sovereign language has allowed it to avoid so much brainrot in our culture today. それは、翻訳行為が高価である限りにおいてのみ機能します。 (That 'free' is also 'mediocre quality' does not help when the problem is 'brain rot': viral memes still be viral)
- 4bpp 2y ago
  Well, for what it's worth, your machine-translated sentence is basically incomprehensible in Japanese, let alone in a position to go viral (except in the capacity in which exquisite gibberish sometimes does). I could only infer what I think you intended to say ("This only works as long as translation is expensive"...?) by translating it back literally coupled with guesswork about what English text could have given rise to this "translation". Not that your point isn't actually a good one - we do now often see the worst of US-made culture war toxoplasma (in all stages of its lifecycle) being imported wholesale into European cultures where it is barely relevant to local circumstances, which I would squarely blame on sufficient English skills and superior production value of anglophone politics.
  - ben_w 2y ago
    > Well, for what it's worth, your machine-translated sentence is basically incomprehensible in Japanese, let alone in a position to go viral (except in the capacity in which exquisite gibberish sometimes does). I kinda assumed so — I kept changing the English until the English-Japanese-English round trip translation wasn't wildly wrong, but the fact I had to says how far Google Translate has to go before it's actually good.
cbsmith 2y ago
If having one is good, having two must be better!

by jbm 2y ago

Came to say the same thing. The supposed backwards parts are seeming charming the longer I live in Canada. Having a sovereign language has allowed it to avoid so much brainrot in our culture today.

jperras 2y ago

Québecois here. We've been trying to tell the rest of Canada this for _decades_.

jbm 2y ago
I mostly agree. Still, being a minority from Montreal who left and found life in Japan significantly less alienating, I hesitate to agree wholeheartedly.
- jperras 2y ago
  Very fair. The line between conscientious preservation and alienation can be (and often is) an easy one to cross.

ben_w 2y ago

> Having a sovereign language has allowed it to avoid so much brainrot in our culture today. それは、翻訳行為が高価である限りにおいてのみ機能します。 (That 'free' is also 'mediocre quality' does not help when the problem is 'brain rot': viral memes still be viral)

4bpp 2y ago
Well, for what it's worth, your machine-translated sentence is basically incomprehensible in Japanese, let alone in a position to go viral (except in the capacity in which exquisite gibberish sometimes does). I could only infer what I think you intended to say ("This only works as long as translation is expensive"...?) by translating it back literally coupled with guesswork about what English text could have given rise to this "translation". Not that your point isn't actually a good one - we do now often see the worst of US-made culture war toxoplasma (in all stages of its lifecycle) being imported wholesale into European cultures where it is barely relevant to local circumstances, which I would squarely blame on sufficient English skills and superior production value of anglophone politics.
- ben_w 2y ago
  > Well, for what it's worth, your machine-translated sentence is basically incomprehensible in Japanese, let alone in a position to go viral (except in the capacity in which exquisite gibberish sometimes does). I kinda assumed so — I kept changing the English until the English-Japanese-English round trip translation wasn't wildly wrong, but the fact I had to says how far Google Translate has to go before it's actually good.

cbsmith 2y ago

If having one is good, having two must be better!