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If that's a legal question then no, no more than I can secede along with my backyard. The fact that your land happens to be surrounded by water doesn't give it

If that's a legal question then no, no more than I can secede along with my backyard. The fact that your land happens to be surrounded by water doesn't give it any special legal status, the law of the United States does not allow landowners to secede. If that's a practical question, then all he has to do is to declare independence and then be prepared to win a war against the United States when it chooses to militarily dispute that claim. As Larry Ellison is unlikely to be able to win a war against the United States, I'd say the answer here is also no.

dataminer 14y ago
I am quite interested in this subject. What is the legal process of starting a country? Is there any land available in the world which can be bought for starting a new country?
- rexreed 14y ago
  Sure - check out Sealand: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Sealand https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Sealand and more here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Micronations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Micronations
- planetguy 14y ago
  There is no legal process for starting a country, because laws are made by countries, and once you're starting your own there's no legal framework to operate under. The practical process for starting a country is to control a piece of land militarily, declare yourself independent, and then persuade other countries to recognize your claim. They're incredibly unlikely to do so, unless you can really back that claim up with something. Even countries which are large, have functioning governments and reasonably powerful militaries can't be guaranteed universal acceptance, e.g. Taiwan. Nobody will sell you land on which to start your own country. Your best bet for land not currently subject to any territorial claims would be Marie Byrd Land: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marie_Byrd_Land http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marie_Byrd_Land a Mongolia-sized slice of unclaimed land in Antarctica. You'd still have a tough time getting anyone to accept your claim, though. Also, it's cold.
  - arethuza 14y ago
    "There is no legal process for starting a country" Well, there is no global legal process for starting a country because pretty much all territory is already claimed. However, plenty of countries have split apart recently (e.g. Czechoslovakia into the Czech Republic and Slovakia) and indeed by own "country" of Scotland is about to consider splitting from the UK.
  - drostie 14y ago
    One subtle point: there are sometimes legal processes for declaring independence from a host country. The most clear example of this is the Statute of Westminster 1931, which the Parliament of the UK passed in order to create a legal process by which its colonies could file for legal independence. As I understand it, in British law classes, there is often a question asked of students: "If Parliament repealed the Statute of Westminster today, would we (in principle, legally) get all of those colonies back? Does Parliament have the right to repeal the Statute of Westminster and the grants of independence under it, or were they something otherwise unprecedented in law: a surrender, effective forever, of certain legal powers?" Etc. So yes, there are sometimes legal processes for starting a country, although the U.S. doesn't really have one. The U.S. does allow you to apply for statehood however, so it might be interesting to immediately declare independence (illegally) and then immediately apply to become a state (legally) to see which imperative wins out.
- mrmincent 14y ago
  Prince Leonard of the Hutt River Province formed a micronation back in the 1970s. I grew up an hour or two from the Province, most people think it was a bit of a clever hack - he even declared war on Australia at one stage. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Hutt_River https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Hutt_River
- zokier 14y ago
  iirc (parts of) Somalia doesn't have proper government, so you probably could try to start your country there. I'd recommend getting couple hundred/thousand mercenaries to keep your peace there... If you'd rule fairly, you even could have a chance of Western world accepting you, as even good dictatorship would be a massive improvement compared to the current conditions.
bigiain 14y ago
"As Larry Ellison is unlikely to be able to win a war against the United States, I'd say the answer here is also no." I wonder… "Hey Operations? It's Larry. Shut down all Oracle and Java applications running inside .gov networks. Right now. Every single one." ;-)
- malkia 14y ago
  The govermentwould take over
- olefoo 14y ago
  I'm now wondering what sort of mayhem one could cause with vendor access to every Oracle db the US .gov uses, presumably you could forge orders, reorganize parts of the executive and identify and suborn most of the people who would be in a position to stop you... If he builds a monorail, I guess it'll be obvious.

dataminer 14y ago

I am quite interested in this subject. What is the legal process of starting a country? Is there any land available in the world which can be bought for starting a new country?

rexreed 14y ago
Sure - check out Sealand: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Sealand https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Sealand and more here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Micronations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Micronations
planetguy 14y ago
There is no legal process for starting a country, because laws are made by countries, and once you're starting your own there's no legal framework to operate under. The practical process for starting a country is to control a piece of land militarily, declare yourself independent, and then persuade other countries to recognize your claim. They're incredibly unlikely to do so, unless you can really back that claim up with something. Even countries which are large, have functioning governments and reasonably powerful militaries can't be guaranteed universal acceptance, e.g. Taiwan. Nobody will sell you land on which to start your own country. Your best bet for land not currently subject to any territorial claims would be Marie Byrd Land: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marie_Byrd_Land http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marie_Byrd_Land a Mongolia-sized slice of unclaimed land in Antarctica. You'd still have a tough time getting anyone to accept your claim, though. Also, it's cold.
- arethuza 14y ago
  "There is no legal process for starting a country" Well, there is no global legal process for starting a country because pretty much all territory is already claimed. However, plenty of countries have split apart recently (e.g. Czechoslovakia into the Czech Republic and Slovakia) and indeed by own "country" of Scotland is about to consider splitting from the UK.
- drostie 14y ago
  One subtle point: there are sometimes legal processes for declaring independence from a host country. The most clear example of this is the Statute of Westminster 1931, which the Parliament of the UK passed in order to create a legal process by which its colonies could file for legal independence. As I understand it, in British law classes, there is often a question asked of students: "If Parliament repealed the Statute of Westminster today, would we (in principle, legally) get all of those colonies back? Does Parliament have the right to repeal the Statute of Westminster and the grants of independence under it, or were they something otherwise unprecedented in law: a surrender, effective forever, of certain legal powers?" Etc. So yes, there are sometimes legal processes for starting a country, although the U.S. doesn't really have one. The U.S. does allow you to apply for statehood however, so it might be interesting to immediately declare independence (illegally) and then immediately apply to become a state (legally) to see which imperative wins out.
mrmincent 14y ago
Prince Leonard of the Hutt River Province formed a micronation back in the 1970s. I grew up an hour or two from the Province, most people think it was a bit of a clever hack - he even declared war on Australia at one stage. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Hutt_River https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Hutt_River
zokier 14y ago
iirc (parts of) Somalia doesn't have proper government, so you probably could try to start your country there. I'd recommend getting couple hundred/thousand mercenaries to keep your peace there... If you'd rule fairly, you even could have a chance of Western world accepting you, as even good dictatorship would be a massive improvement compared to the current conditions.

bigiain 14y ago

"As Larry Ellison is unlikely to be able to win a war against the United States, I'd say the answer here is also no." I wonder… "Hey Operations? It's Larry. Shut down all Oracle and Java applications running inside .gov networks. Right now. Every single one." ;-)

malkia 14y ago
The govermentwould take over
olefoo 14y ago
I'm now wondering what sort of mayhem one could cause with vendor access to every Oracle db the US .gov uses, presumably you could forge orders, reorganize parts of the executive and identify and suborn most of the people who would be in a position to stop you... If he builds a monorail, I guess it'll be obvious.