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Could he technically start a new country? XD

sp332 14y ago
Historically, secession from the union is frowned upon. See: the bloodiest war in US history. On the other hand, my former employer Dean Kamen did jokingly found his own country on North Dumpling Island and signed a non-aggression pact. He seceded when he was denied a permit to build a wind turbine. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Dumpling_Island https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Dumpling_Island
- citizens 14y ago
  That's pretty interesting. I'm curious: If he founded his own country, why did he need a permit? Edit: Oh, right.
  - aepstein 14y ago
    "He seceded when he was denied a permit"
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  - mahyarm 14y ago
    Seceding from a country and seceding from a city seem like two different things.
- blhack 14y ago
  What was it like working with him? Dean Kamen is on my list of "someday".
planetguy 14y ago
If that's a legal question then no, no more than I can secede along with my backyard. The fact that your land happens to be surrounded by water doesn't give it any special legal status, the law of the United States does not allow landowners to secede. If that's a practical question, then all he has to do is to declare independence and then be prepared to win a war against the United States when it chooses to militarily dispute that claim. As Larry Ellison is unlikely to be able to win a war against the United States, I'd say the answer here is also no.
- dataminer 14y ago
  I am quite interested in this subject. What is the legal process of starting a country? Is there any land available in the world which can be bought for starting a new country?
  - rexreed 14y ago
    Sure - check out Sealand: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Sealand https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Sealand and more here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Micronations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Micronations
  - planetguy 14y ago
    There is no legal process for starting a country, because laws are made by countries, and once you're starting your own there's no legal framework to operate under. The practical process for starting a country is to control a piece of land militarily, declare yourself independent, and then persuade other countries to recognize your claim. They're incredibly unlikely to do so, unless you can really back that claim up with something. Even countries which are large, have functioning governments and reasonably powerful militaries can't be guaranteed universal acceptance, e.g. Taiwan. Nobody will sell you land on which to start your own country. Your best bet for land not currently subject to any territorial claims would be Marie Byrd Land: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marie_Byrd_Land http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marie_Byrd_Land a Mongolia-sized slice of unclaimed land in Antarctica. You'd still have a tough time getting anyone to accept your claim, though. Also, it's cold.

sp332 14y ago

Historically, secession from the union is frowned upon. See: the bloodiest war in US history. On the other hand, my former employer Dean Kamen did jokingly found his own country on North Dumpling Island and signed a non-aggression pact. He seceded when he was denied a permit to build a wind turbine. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Dumpling_Island https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Dumpling_Island

citizens 14y ago
That's pretty interesting. I'm curious: If he founded his own country, why did he need a permit? Edit: Oh, right.
- aepstein 14y ago
  "He seceded when he was denied a permit"
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- mahyarm 14y ago
  Seceding from a country and seceding from a city seem like two different things.
blhack 14y ago
What was it like working with him? Dean Kamen is on my list of "someday".

planetguy 14y ago

If that's a legal question then no, no more than I can secede along with my backyard. The fact that your land happens to be surrounded by water doesn't give it any special legal status, the law of the United States does not allow landowners to secede. If that's a practical question, then all he has to do is to declare independence and then be prepared to win a war against the United States when it chooses to militarily dispute that claim. As Larry Ellison is unlikely to be able to win a war against the United States, I'd say the answer here is also no.

dataminer 14y ago
I am quite interested in this subject. What is the legal process of starting a country? Is there any land available in the world which can be bought for starting a new country?
- rexreed 14y ago
  Sure - check out Sealand: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Sealand https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Sealand and more here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Micronations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Micronations
- planetguy 14y ago
  There is no legal process for starting a country, because laws are made by countries, and once you're starting your own there's no legal framework to operate under. The practical process for starting a country is to control a piece of land militarily, declare yourself independent, and then persuade other countries to recognize your claim. They're incredibly unlikely to do so, unless you can really back that claim up with something. Even countries which are large, have functioning governments and reasonably powerful militaries can't be guaranteed universal acceptance, e.g. Taiwan. Nobody will sell you land on which to start your own country. Your best bet for land not currently subject to any territorial claims would be Marie Byrd Land: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marie_Byrd_Land http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marie_Byrd_Land a Mongolia-sized slice of unclaimed land in Antarctica. You'd still have a tough time getting anyone to accept your claim, though. Also, it's cold.