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Wells Fargo worker found dead at her desk four days after clocking in

29 points by howard941 2y ago

phony-account 2y ago
Would it be bad form if I linked to this story every time someone here says RTO is essential for ‘vibrant and lively’ communication between colleagues?
- frogpelt 2y ago
  I hear you. I think this story says more about a particular organization and/or individual’s role than it does RTO in general.
  - sach1 2y ago
    Yeah, and it's a bad example since the timeline could easily be that she was working until a bit later on Friday, passed away, and wasn't found until Monday afternoon. However, since this was submitted on a Friday the brain automatically thinks about it happening Mon-Fri if you don't read the article.
    - awelxtr 2y ago
      They weren't found until Tuesday afternoon. Two full workdays in the office with no colaboration
  - curtis3389 2y ago
    Not a lot of communication with your colleagues when you die on Friday and nobody notices until Tuesday. People came in and worked an entire day while she was in her cubicle decomposing.
    - sach1 2y ago
      Oh I misread that initially, I thought it was 5PM on that Monday, jesus.
- maeil 2y ago
  Don't you worry, they'll link it right back at you along with "This is why we need open office plans!"
  - stonethrowaway 2y ago
    So based I think I’m going to hurl.
- itishappy 2y ago
  I'm not sure that will send the message you expect. > most employees at the Wells Fargo office work remotely https://www.12news.com/article/news/local/valley/investigation-underway-after-body-of-wells-fargo-employee-found-dead-at-work-tempe/75-1329570f-3b63-4869-b4bd-7d45801a80f2 https://www.12news.com/article/news/local/valley/investigati...
moron4hire 2y ago
There wasn't even a cleaning crew or custodian or security person that at least passed by? I mean, this isn't some frothy AI startup that has approximately zero chance of having any impact on the world. This is one of the largest banks in the country. They should, at the very least, have someone checking every office and cube, every night, to make sure no unauthorized personnel are there after closing.
- WorldMaker 2y ago
  It's also not like they wouldn't have reasons to double/triple check in this specific case without needing a general patrol policy: It should have been a security concern at the end of Friday that someone had badged in and not left. That's among basic reasons for having these badge systems, in the first place. Someone failing to badge out is a security risk. (It's also a Fire Marshall risk because another reason companies require accurate badge out is that in the case of a fire emergency and they have a badge in process, they are then liable for knowing every employee inside the building in the event of that fire emergency and helping make sure everyone gets out safely.) Even if the company encourages sleeping at your desk overnight "for productivity", because companies sure do love underpaid labor and accidental burnout, there's an increased OpSec risk for every extra hour someone has access to secure corporate resources. You'd think in a bank where security is supposed to be important at least one security software would be paranoid and presenting alarms about someone still badged in over a full weekend.
  - lotsoweiners 2y ago
    Every office job I’ve ever had required me to badge in but I’ve never had to badge out. The badge in was just for security purposes.
    - WorldMaker 2y ago
      I've had a mixture of the two in my years. The growing "Fire Marshall liability" thing (which obviously depends on your state, and other factors) has been pushing companies to do both, even in cases where they weren't convinced for security reasons alone. (Though security reasons alone you would expect a bank to require both in and out.) (ETA: And the article implies that they did have a badge out.)
ThrowawayR2 2y ago
There are also more comments in a related earlier submission "Wells Fargo employee found dead at desk after 4 days" at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41396883 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41396883
ChrisArchitect 2y ago
[dupe] Some more discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41396883 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41396883
- hiatus 2y ago
  This comment itself is a dupe of https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41402395 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41402395
  - ChrisArchitect 2y ago
    proper flagging.

29 points by howard941 2y ago

Would it be bad form if I linked to this story every time someone here says RTO is essential for ‘vibrant and lively’ communication between colleagues?

frogpelt 2y ago
I hear you. I think this story says more about a particular organization and/or individual’s role than it does RTO in general.
- sach1 2y ago
  Yeah, and it's a bad example since the timeline could easily be that she was working until a bit later on Friday, passed away, and wasn't found until Monday afternoon. However, since this was submitted on a Friday the brain automatically thinks about it happening Mon-Fri if you don't read the article.
  - awelxtr 2y ago
    They weren't found until Tuesday afternoon. Two full workdays in the office with no colaboration
- curtis3389 2y ago
  Not a lot of communication with your colleagues when you die on Friday and nobody notices until Tuesday. People came in and worked an entire day while she was in her cubicle decomposing.
  - sach1 2y ago
    Oh I misread that initially, I thought it was 5PM on that Monday, jesus.
maeil 2y ago
Don't you worry, they'll link it right back at you along with "This is why we need open office plans!"
- stonethrowaway 2y ago
  So based I think I’m going to hurl.
itishappy 2y ago
I'm not sure that will send the message you expect. > most employees at the Wells Fargo office work remotely https://www.12news.com/article/news/local/valley/investigation-underway-after-body-of-wells-fargo-employee-found-dead-at-work-tempe/75-1329570f-3b63-4869-b4bd-7d45801a80f2 https://www.12news.com/article/news/local/valley/investigati...

moron4hire 2y ago

There wasn't even a cleaning crew or custodian or security person that at least passed by? I mean, this isn't some frothy AI startup that has approximately zero chance of having any impact on the world. This is one of the largest banks in the country. They should, at the very least, have someone checking every office and cube, every night, to make sure no unauthorized personnel are there after closing.

WorldMaker 2y ago
It's also not like they wouldn't have reasons to double/triple check in this specific case without needing a general patrol policy: It should have been a security concern at the end of Friday that someone had badged in and not left. That's among basic reasons for having these badge systems, in the first place. Someone failing to badge out is a security risk. (It's also a Fire Marshall risk because another reason companies require accurate badge out is that in the case of a fire emergency and they have a badge in process, they are then liable for knowing every employee inside the building in the event of that fire emergency and helping make sure everyone gets out safely.) Even if the company encourages sleeping at your desk overnight "for productivity", because companies sure do love underpaid labor and accidental burnout, there's an increased OpSec risk for every extra hour someone has access to secure corporate resources. You'd think in a bank where security is supposed to be important at least one security software would be paranoid and presenting alarms about someone still badged in over a full weekend.
- lotsoweiners 2y ago
  Every office job I’ve ever had required me to badge in but I’ve never had to badge out. The badge in was just for security purposes.
  - WorldMaker 2y ago
    I've had a mixture of the two in my years. The growing "Fire Marshall liability" thing (which obviously depends on your state, and other factors) has been pushing companies to do both, even in cases where they weren't convinced for security reasons alone. (Though security reasons alone you would expect a bank to require both in and out.) (ETA: And the article implies that they did have a badge out.)

ThrowawayR2 2y ago

There are also more comments in a related earlier submission "Wells Fargo employee found dead at desk after 4 days" at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41396883 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41396883

ChrisArchitect 2y ago

[dupe] Some more discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41396883 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41396883

hiatus 2y ago
This comment itself is a dupe of https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41402395 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41402395
- ChrisArchitect 2y ago
  proper flagging.