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Does police in USA have any duties other than protecting capital?

by Hikikomori 2y ago

mcmcmc 2y ago
Giving out speeding tickets
- Tade0 2y ago
  So raising capital then.
  - mcmcmc 2y ago
    Or reducing traffic deaths from dangerous driving with a financial deterrent Did you know that during GWOT, US military personnel deployed to combat zones were more likely to be killed in a car accident after returning home than they were to be actually killed in combat? Cops being abusive pigs doesn’t invalidate the logic behind the law, but then again it always has been the uneven enforcement that’s the problem
    - ElevenLathe 2y ago
      IMO traffic enforcement is convenient busywork to keep cops occupied until capital needs them for something specific. As a bonus, it generates lots of interactions with the public that they can choose to turn violent if they want to let off some steam, and so keeps a persistent note of terror playing.
      - User23 2y ago
        Traffic deaths have surged with the post 2020 decrease in enforcement. Cars are dangerous and bad drivers kill people.
        ElevenLathe 2y ago
        Oh, definitely. That's why its a convenient thing to use surplus-at-the-moment cops for.
        fasa99 2y ago
        I figure it's both. There are 10 gorillion cops and municipalities. Some likely have policies and staff that get along well with the public and just try to administrate traffic in a safe and fair way. Some treat it as a cash cow and care more about the revenue stream than increase or decrease in harm. It's one of those things where both sides of the argument can be true in specific cases, making it perfect "internet debate" fodder.
        mindslight 2y ago
        How many tickets are given out for texting while driving versus being unluckily singled out while going a road's customary traveling speed?
TacticalCoder 2y ago
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- Hikikomori 2y ago
  I meant capital as US police has no duty to protect lives of citizens. https://www.qasimrashid.com/p/how-many-people-realize-police-have https://www.qasimrashid.com/p/how-many-people-realize-police...
  - someguydave 2y ago
    No, the police cannot be held liable for failing to protect you which is slightly different
    - theoreticalmal 2y ago
      “Nothing in the language of the due process clause itself requires the state to protect the life, liberty and property of its citizens against invasion by private actors.” From the article, quoting the Supreme Court. I’ll admit that the police may still have a “duty” (whatever that is defined as), but it is certainly true that they aren’t required to protect the public
yimmothathird 2y ago
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Does police in USA have any duties other than protecting capital?

mcmcmc 2y ago

Giving out speeding tickets

Tade0 2y ago
So raising capital then.
- mcmcmc 2y ago
  Or reducing traffic deaths from dangerous driving with a financial deterrent Did you know that during GWOT, US military personnel deployed to combat zones were more likely to be killed in a car accident after returning home than they were to be actually killed in combat? Cops being abusive pigs doesn’t invalidate the logic behind the law, but then again it always has been the uneven enforcement that’s the problem
  - ElevenLathe 2y ago
    IMO traffic enforcement is convenient busywork to keep cops occupied until capital needs them for something specific. As a bonus, it generates lots of interactions with the public that they can choose to turn violent if they want to let off some steam, and so keeps a persistent note of terror playing.
    - User23 2y ago
      Traffic deaths have surged with the post 2020 decrease in enforcement. Cars are dangerous and bad drivers kill people.
      - ElevenLathe 2y ago
        Oh, definitely. That's why its a convenient thing to use surplus-at-the-moment cops for.
        fasa99 2y ago
        I figure it's both. There are 10 gorillion cops and municipalities. Some likely have policies and staff that get along well with the public and just try to administrate traffic in a safe and fair way. Some treat it as a cash cow and care more about the revenue stream than increase or decrease in harm. It's one of those things where both sides of the argument can be true in specific cases, making it perfect "internet debate" fodder.
      - mindslight 2y ago
        How many tickets are given out for texting while driving versus being unluckily singled out while going a road's customary traveling speed?

TacticalCoder 2y ago

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Hikikomori 2y ago
I meant capital as US police has no duty to protect lives of citizens. https://www.qasimrashid.com/p/how-many-people-realize-police-have https://www.qasimrashid.com/p/how-many-people-realize-police...
- someguydave 2y ago
  No, the police cannot be held liable for failing to protect you which is slightly different
  - theoreticalmal 2y ago
    “Nothing in the language of the due process clause itself requires the state to protect the life, liberty and property of its citizens against invasion by private actors.” From the article, quoting the Supreme Court. I’ll admit that the police may still have a “duty” (whatever that is defined as), but it is certainly true that they aren’t required to protect the public

yimmothathird 2y ago

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