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I’m Swedish. I have a rather grim view of the Swedish justice system. But this surprises even me. Personally, if this happened to me and the public prosecutor d

I’m Swedish. I have a rather grim view of the Swedish justice system. But this surprises even me. Personally, if this happened to me and the public prosecutor dropped the case I would strongly consider “private prosecution” (“enskilt åtal”). The one piece of evidence I’m missing in the blog post though is the analysis of the contents of the small brown bottle, and the actual receipt for it. EDIT: Actually, when I think about it, it sounds improbable that the prosecutor has already decided not to press charges. In Sweden we don’t have a bail system. Most people are just released as soon as they can no longer interfere with the investigation (or continue committing crimes or flee). So it doesn’t mean much that a suspect has been released.

jeroenhd 2y ago
How long do such cases normally take? The police records posted are dated 2022-11-29, the author should at least know if charges are being pressed. In their blog post from July, they don't seem to know of any charges: https://rattvisan.blog/2024/07/20/where-is-justice/ https://rattvisan.blog/2024/07/20/where-is-justice/
- netsharc 2y ago
  The main article is posted 8 days after that link, so it seems the author is fed up and has "gone public", even posting the videos...
- bjornsing 2y ago
  Yeah I hadn't seen that when I wrote the edit above. Sounds like enough time for the prosecutor to have made a decision actually.
shiroiushi 2y ago
>In Sweden we don’t have a bail system. Most people are just released as soon as they can no longer interfere with the investigation (or continue committing crimes or flee). I see, this helps with understanding the situation a lot actually. Hopefully she'll be tried and imprisoned for this terrible crime then. Still, it's hard to imagine what it's like for the husband; I can't imagine having a spouse trying to poison me, and I've been through a divorce too. It's really hard to imagine someone being this evil to their spouse. (To someone else who actually wronged them in a horrible way, sure, it's understandable to have that feeling, but spouses are something altogether different in my mind: if you hate them that much, why are you married to them, and why don't you just divorce?)
- matthewdgreen 2y ago
  I don't know if hate is the motivation here. Munchausen by proxy (now apparently called FDIA) is a recognized mental illness, and it's usually motivated by other things than hate. Consider the possibility that divorce is the opposite of the goal: a sick and dependent spouse can't leave you.
RayVR 2y ago
From the author's "About" page: > Despite strong circumstantial evidence including my medical journal and video/audio evidence of suspicious activities, the prosecution decided not to pursue charges, citing insufficient evidence to directly link my condition to the actions of my wife
- danghandy4u 2y ago
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- gklitz 2y ago
  This is such a strange take. It seems obvious that the wife was poisoning her husband, what does it matter if his conditions were connected or not?
  - RayVR 2y ago
    Without details of the investigation and the reason for the prosecution dropping the case, we are missing too much information. His side of the story is convincing and compelling, but it’s a one-sided perspective.
kruxigt 2y ago
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impossiblefork 2y ago
I don't agree. If the prosecutor isn't going after this, there must be a lack of conclusive evidence. As I remarked elsewhere, if the pill bottle was in fact KCl, there is no certain evidence pinning the vitamin D on the wife. It's obvious that it's her, but it's not proven. Consequently a private prosecution would be useless. Also, private prosecutions for these kinds of things are unheard of, just as they are in the US. If things are as I believe, it is not going to be possible to secure a conviction. There's reason for the very strongest suspicions, but still a step away from what's required for a conviction.
- nbadg 2y ago
  > just as they are in the US. This is incorrect. Far from unheard of, the civil justice system in the US is, in fact, frequently used as a secondary route of recourse by private persons, regardless of the existence or outcome of a criminal prosecution. The legal test used to determine liability (in civil justice) is different from the legal test used to determine culpability (in criminal justice), and therefore, you can also have mixed outcomes. Furthermore, civil law in the US focuses on "making the plaintiff whole", vs criminal law which focuses on sanctioning the defendent. As a result, civil cases might be the only way in which a victim of a crime could get any form of compensation from the perpetrator. One extremely high-profile case in the US was, of course, that of OJ Simpson [1], who was found not guilty of murder in a criminal case, but liable in a civil one, for the exact same action. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_trial_of_O._J._Simpson https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_trial_of_O._J._Simpson
  - impossiblefork 2y ago
    Yes, but private prosecutions in Sweden are not civil cases. Civil cases we have, just as you do, and they were very accessible, but private prosecutions are something different.
    - Brian_K_White 2y ago
      Since it was in quotes I assumed that was a euhemism.
giantg2 2y ago
'I would strongly consider “private prosecution”' If it works anything like it does in the US "private criminal complaints", then good luck. For less serious crimes you act ad the prosecutor in front of a magistrate. Any serious crimes need approval from the real prosecutor office before they can proceed. They virtually always decline those.

jeroenhd 2y ago

How long do such cases normally take? The police records posted are dated 2022-11-29, the author should at least know if charges are being pressed. In their blog post from July, they don't seem to know of any charges: https://rattvisan.blog/2024/07/20/where-is-justice/ https://rattvisan.blog/2024/07/20/where-is-justice/

netsharc 2y ago
The main article is posted 8 days after that link, so it seems the author is fed up and has "gone public", even posting the videos...
bjornsing 2y ago
Yeah I hadn't seen that when I wrote the edit above. Sounds like enough time for the prosecutor to have made a decision actually.

shiroiushi 2y ago

>In Sweden we don’t have a bail system. Most people are just released as soon as they can no longer interfere with the investigation (or continue committing crimes or flee). I see, this helps with understanding the situation a lot actually. Hopefully she'll be tried and imprisoned for this terrible crime then. Still, it's hard to imagine what it's like for the husband; I can't imagine having a spouse trying to poison me, and I've been through a divorce too. It's really hard to imagine someone being this evil to their spouse. (To someone else who actually wronged them in a horrible way, sure, it's understandable to have that feeling, but spouses are something altogether different in my mind: if you hate them that much, why are you married to them, and why don't you just divorce?)

matthewdgreen 2y ago
I don't know if hate is the motivation here. Munchausen by proxy (now apparently called FDIA) is a recognized mental illness, and it's usually motivated by other things than hate. Consider the possibility that divorce is the opposite of the goal: a sick and dependent spouse can't leave you.

RayVR 2y ago

From the author's "About" page: > Despite strong circumstantial evidence including my medical journal and video/audio evidence of suspicious activities, the prosecution decided not to pursue charges, citing insufficient evidence to directly link my condition to the actions of my wife

danghandy4u 2y ago
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gklitz 2y ago
This is such a strange take. It seems obvious that the wife was poisoning her husband, what does it matter if his conditions were connected or not?
- RayVR 2y ago
  Without details of the investigation and the reason for the prosecution dropping the case, we are missing too much information. His side of the story is convincing and compelling, but it’s a one-sided perspective.

kruxigt 2y ago

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impossiblefork 2y ago

I don't agree. If the prosecutor isn't going after this, there must be a lack of conclusive evidence. As I remarked elsewhere, if the pill bottle was in fact KCl, there is no certain evidence pinning the vitamin D on the wife. It's obvious that it's her, but it's not proven. Consequently a private prosecution would be useless. Also, private prosecutions for these kinds of things are unheard of, just as they are in the US. If things are as I believe, it is not going to be possible to secure a conviction. There's reason for the very strongest suspicions, but still a step away from what's required for a conviction.

nbadg 2y ago
> just as they are in the US. This is incorrect. Far from unheard of, the civil justice system in the US is, in fact, frequently used as a secondary route of recourse by private persons, regardless of the existence or outcome of a criminal prosecution. The legal test used to determine liability (in civil justice) is different from the legal test used to determine culpability (in criminal justice), and therefore, you can also have mixed outcomes. Furthermore, civil law in the US focuses on "making the plaintiff whole", vs criminal law which focuses on sanctioning the defendent. As a result, civil cases might be the only way in which a victim of a crime could get any form of compensation from the perpetrator. One extremely high-profile case in the US was, of course, that of OJ Simpson [1], who was found not guilty of murder in a criminal case, but liable in a civil one, for the exact same action. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_trial_of_O._J._Simpson https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_trial_of_O._J._Simpson
- impossiblefork 2y ago
  Yes, but private prosecutions in Sweden are not civil cases. Civil cases we have, just as you do, and they were very accessible, but private prosecutions are something different.
  - Brian_K_White 2y ago
    Since it was in quotes I assumed that was a euhemism.

giantg2 2y ago

'I would strongly consider “private prosecution”' If it works anything like it does in the US "private criminal complaints", then good luck. For less serious crimes you act ad the prosecutor in front of a magistrate. Any serious crimes need approval from the real prosecutor office before they can proceed. They virtually always decline those.