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I think that "an hour to the nearest convenience" is far from civilization, but I'm Irish and this is a tiny country. Also, you could argue that, by definition,

I think that "an hour to the nearest convenience" is far from civilization, but I'm Irish and this is a tiny country. Also, you could argue that, by definition, having a road and an RV kitted out with food, water and batteries is civilization. Even if I lived full time like that I'd feel like I owe some civilization somewhere, a tax. Who built this nice road? What hidden or socialised costs or subsidies went into kitting me out for remote life? When all is said and done, we can't survive without having some sort of connection to other groups. Going a few hundred miles away for a while and saying "I AM SELF SUFFICIENT!" is a bit silly. And like I say, if you want peace and quiet you don't have to put your life at risk by going out of range of water, power, roads, phone coverage etc. Ignore me, I'm sure I just don't get it.

lnsru 2y ago
I lived in an old house in a place which got developed into suburbs later for a while. Preparing hot water by burning wood, what one must prepare in advance was an adventure. Luckily there was a pile of wood from before. But doing this repeatedly isn’t for everybody. The place lost afterwards electricity in spring for whole 2 weeks. So no backup. Heating only by burning wood. There are so many fail safes to be implemented to live outside civilization that I don’t want to think about it. A gas and electricity powered fridge. Enough gas, enough firewood. Boiling all water from the well before using it. Digging regularly a new hole for a toilet. Having at least one spare for every critical piece of equipment. Electronic loves to fail suddenly and Amazon does not come with next day delivery.