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India has more than ten times the population of Japan, so all other things being equal you'd expect there to be ten times as many Indian devs than Japanese devs

by arp242 2y ago

India has more than ten times the population of Japan, so all other things being equal you'd expect there to be ten times as many Indian devs than Japanese devs. And all other thing are not equal, and there are probably several factors that skew things even more (English skills, cultural reasons, economical reasons).

oceanplexian 2y ago
In India 31% of the population uses the Internet. Only 3-5% of India’s population is considered to be formally skilled. The statistics are so grim with indoor sanitation I feel like it’s inappropriate to even mention. India is an incredibly hard place to be a skilled worker and not at all comparable to Japan
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- Malidir 2y ago
  Where is that statistic from that only 31% use the internet? As in many countries that are similar, they may now have a laptop/pc but will often have a cheap android phone.
fwungy 2y ago
The consensus at the very large IT provider I work for, amongst the staff, is that India is a good bet for a script running operations team, but poor on ingenuity, innovation, and creative problem solving. The best Indian talent are as good as anyone, but the average talent level is far lower than American, Asian or European.
- Spooky23 2y ago
  It’s all about what you pay and how you hire. I worked on a team that had a bunch of folks from India who had been escalation engineers for big software companies. They were awesome—- at restoring services. Terrible at building or sustaining. Probably because they were trained well at troubleshooting and repair. Another team I was on probably consisted of the smartest people I’ve ever met, period. All Indian, but from a pure university edu path and never worked in a big outsourcing shop. At the end, people are people.
christao 2y ago
It's important to consider that while India has a vast population, the challenges in infrastructure, education, and access to technology create significant hurdles.
muzani 2y ago
Top talent seems to also be born, not made. So if you know how to search (probably IIT), you can get some of the best people in the world. Likely China is also able to make use of their numbers, but they're able to keep much of their talent internal. Or it goes through proxies like Singapore, HK, Taiwan. Corollary: Countries with really good education probably isn't as cost effective as well. Maybe it is for higher end stuff like ML or operating systems, but the filter for a React programmer is entirely different.

by arp242 2y ago

oceanplexian 2y ago

In India 31% of the population uses the Internet. Only 3-5% of India’s population is considered to be formally skilled. The statistics are so grim with indoor sanitation I feel like it’s inappropriate to even mention. India is an incredibly hard place to be a skilled worker and not at all comparable to Japan

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Malidir 2y ago
Where is that statistic from that only 31% use the internet? As in many countries that are similar, they may now have a laptop/pc but will often have a cheap android phone.

fwungy 2y ago

The consensus at the very large IT provider I work for, amongst the staff, is that India is a good bet for a script running operations team, but poor on ingenuity, innovation, and creative problem solving. The best Indian talent are as good as anyone, but the average talent level is far lower than American, Asian or European.

Spooky23 2y ago
It’s all about what you pay and how you hire. I worked on a team that had a bunch of folks from India who had been escalation engineers for big software companies. They were awesome—- at restoring services. Terrible at building or sustaining. Probably because they were trained well at troubleshooting and repair. Another team I was on probably consisted of the smartest people I’ve ever met, period. All Indian, but from a pure university edu path and never worked in a big outsourcing shop. At the end, people are people.

christao 2y ago

It's important to consider that while India has a vast population, the challenges in infrastructure, education, and access to technology create significant hurdles.

muzani 2y ago

Top talent seems to also be born, not made. So if you know how to search (probably IIT), you can get some of the best people in the world. Likely China is also able to make use of their numbers, but they're able to keep much of their talent internal. Or it goes through proxies like Singapore, HK, Taiwan. Corollary: Countries with really good education probably isn't as cost effective as well. Maybe it is for higher end stuff like ML or operating systems, but the filter for a React programmer is entirely different.