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Developers willingly choose to donate their work under an OSS license. So yes there are costs and thankfully people release without the expectation. It’s perfe

Developers willingly choose to donate their work under an OSS license. So yes there are costs and thankfully people release without the expectation. It’s perfectly fine to sell your software. There’s trillions of dollars worth of companies that do that. But I make sure I eat through other methods so I’m able to donate my time. If Elastic doesn’t want Amazon to use their software, then they shouldn’t release it as OSS. It’s quite simple. But it’s ridiculous, I think, to claim Amazon is doing anything wrong by abiding by the license. Elastic shouldn’t feel that Amazon is eating their pie because they chose to put their pie out with a “free pie for everyone” under ASL. If they feel bad, that may be so, but their feelings aren’t as important as what their intellect should set up.

arp242 2y ago
I'm not really interested in discussing the merits of the argument (or lack thereof); I've done this a dozen times over the last few years and I have no interest in repeating it. I am just saying your post hugely misrepresented the argument. That you think the argument is a load of bollocks changes nothing about that.
- prepend 2y ago
  It’s unfortunate you don’t want to discuss the merits of my argument. Not to give out advice, but if your aim isn’t to learn and debate and change minds and be changed, what’s your point? Do you just want to make noise or something? I would like to properly characterize the argument to understand all sides. Because I want more great software to exist in the world. My belief is that the way to do this is to have people create and share, of their own free will. And I want to learn if there’s a better way.
  - arp242 2y ago
    > Do you just want to make noise or something? So correcting your enormous straw-man of misinformation is "noise"? Oh just sod off with your bollocks.
lucianbr 2y ago
Funny, you're doing exactly what you accused others of: defend Amazon with argument 1. Ah, argument 1 completely misses the point? Well, just defend Amazon with argument 2. Say no word about how you missed the point originally, because the only important thing is to defend Amazon.
jen20 2y ago
> If Elastic doesn’t want Amazon to use their software, then they shouldn’t release it as OSS. So maybe they should stop releasing future contributions as OSS? Oh, wait…
- prepend 2y ago
  Exactly. It’s their choice as the creator. And they can change their mind as much as they like. It’s cool being a programmer because we have such autonomy over our actions and our creations.

arp242 2y ago

I'm not really interested in discussing the merits of the argument (or lack thereof); I've done this a dozen times over the last few years and I have no interest in repeating it. I am just saying your post hugely misrepresented the argument. That you think the argument is a load of bollocks changes nothing about that.

prepend 2y ago
It’s unfortunate you don’t want to discuss the merits of my argument. Not to give out advice, but if your aim isn’t to learn and debate and change minds and be changed, what’s your point? Do you just want to make noise or something? I would like to properly characterize the argument to understand all sides. Because I want more great software to exist in the world. My belief is that the way to do this is to have people create and share, of their own free will. And I want to learn if there’s a better way.
- arp242 2y ago
  > Do you just want to make noise or something? So correcting your enormous straw-man of misinformation is "noise"? Oh just sod off with your bollocks.

lucianbr 2y ago

Funny, you're doing exactly what you accused others of: defend Amazon with argument 1. Ah, argument 1 completely misses the point? Well, just defend Amazon with argument 2. Say no word about how you missed the point originally, because the only important thing is to defend Amazon.

jen20 2y ago

> If Elastic doesn’t want Amazon to use their software, then they shouldn’t release it as OSS. So maybe they should stop releasing future contributions as OSS? Oh, wait…

prepend 2y ago
Exactly. It’s their choice as the creator. And they can change their mind as much as they like. It’s cool being a programmer because we have such autonomy over our actions and our creations.