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> I'm not interested in debating politics > would you say the law itself.. Well, you're asking a question that, in a vacuum, isn't political but since it can

> I'm not interested in debating politics > would you say the law itself.. Well, you're asking a question that, in a vacuum, isn't political but since it can be considered controversial, and I think you know this, it becomes political. So did you want to debate politics or not?

davidmurdoch 2y ago
I was just trying to understand your perspective on laws that forbid allowing non-citizens to vote. I guess I realized I wasn't aware of American citizens who believe non-citizens should be legally allowed to vote in federal elections, and my question about xenophobia was, in retrospect, intended to explore that.
- defrost 2y ago
  Any law that prevents taxpayers voting is inconsistent with the principle of no taxation without representation. If that law is founded on the basis of excluding "outsiders" because they are outsiders then that's texbook xenophobia. What you might want to explore is whether "no taxation without representation" is a core US axiom, whether "outsiders" should pay taxes, etc.
  - davidmurdoch 2y ago
    Tangentially related: My father tried to fight taxes on the grounds that they're unconstitutional. He went to prison for 3 years (in part) because of it. > Any law that prevents taxpayers voting is inconsistent with the principle of no taxation without representation. That sentence would have been a great response to Mike's tweet. Thanks for letting me explore some thoughts with you without spiraling into divisive language.
    - defrost 2y ago
      The entire notion of standard passports and border checking (other than "travel permits" within kingdoms) arose after the Constitution of the United States was ratified .. and that specific document isn't the be all to all reference for citizen | government contracts, even the US founders recognised it was "adequate for (their) present" and would require constant attention and fine tuning. https://www.passporthealthusa.com/passports-and-visas/blog/2018-4-the-worlds-first-official-passport/ https://www.passporthealthusa.com/passports-and-visas/blog/2...
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      - dang 2y ago
        Personal attacks aren't allowed here, no matter how wrong someone is or you feel they are. We have to ban accounts that do this, so please don't do it again. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.
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davidmurdoch 2y ago

I was just trying to understand your perspective on laws that forbid allowing non-citizens to vote. I guess I realized I wasn't aware of American citizens who believe non-citizens should be legally allowed to vote in federal elections, and my question about xenophobia was, in retrospect, intended to explore that.

defrost 2y ago
Any law that prevents taxpayers voting is inconsistent with the principle of no taxation without representation. If that law is founded on the basis of excluding "outsiders" because they are outsiders then that's texbook xenophobia. What you might want to explore is whether "no taxation without representation" is a core US axiom, whether "outsiders" should pay taxes, etc.
- davidmurdoch 2y ago
  Tangentially related: My father tried to fight taxes on the grounds that they're unconstitutional. He went to prison for 3 years (in part) because of it. > Any law that prevents taxpayers voting is inconsistent with the principle of no taxation without representation. That sentence would have been a great response to Mike's tweet. Thanks for letting me explore some thoughts with you without spiraling into divisive language.
  - defrost 2y ago
    The entire notion of standard passports and border checking (other than "travel permits" within kingdoms) arose after the Constitution of the United States was ratified .. and that specific document isn't the be all to all reference for citizen | government contracts, even the US founders recognised it was "adequate for (their) present" and would require constant attention and fine tuning. https://www.passporthealthusa.com/passports-and-visas/blog/2018-4-the-worlds-first-official-passport/ https://www.passporthealthusa.com/passports-and-visas/blog/2...
  - cherry_tree 2y ago
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    - dang 2y ago
      Personal attacks aren't allowed here, no matter how wrong someone is or you feel they are. We have to ban accounts that do this, so please don't do it again. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.
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