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> All I was trying to say was that using the average suicide rate may be misleading when the population is so diverse, and urbanisation is concentrated in certa
by w1ntermute 14y ago
> All I was trying to say was that using the average suicide rate may be misleading when the population is so diverse, and urbanisation is concentrated in certain areas.
OK then, let's separate out the rural and urban suicide rates in China. Turns out that the rural suicide rate is 3 times higher than the urban suicide rate[0]. And this is mirrored in the reduction in the suicide rate when rural Chinese go to work at mega-factories like those run by Foxconn.
0: http://www.freakonomics.com/2011/09/09/chinas-suicide-rate-among-the-highest-in-the-world/ http://www.freakonomics.com/2011/09/09/chinas-suicide-rate-a...
> Suicide in the rural population in India, for instance, is a major problem due to the ready availability of agricultural chemicals.
Actually, it has nothing to do with the presence of agricultural chemicals. There are a million ways of killing onself, and suicide occurred in India long before agricultural "chemicals" had been invented.
It's a common misconception that Indian farmer suicides are a result of the presence of multinational agricultural giants like Monsanto. However, if you look at the data (which I can't find right now, but it's probably available online), you'll see that Indian farmer suicides occur in spurts, usually when something happens that kills their crop (drought, bug infestation, etc.). The use of agricultural chemicals is just a misguided attempt on the part of the farmers to show the "cause" of their misfortunes. The real problem is the temperamental nature of Indian agriculture, which is unfortunately a much more complex target than big bad multinationals and thus conveniently ignored.
Another common misconception is that the sales of genetically modified crops have driven Indian farmer suicides. However, the last spike in suicides was in the late 90s, several years before Monsanto began selling GM crops in India.
- andyjohnson0 14y agoYou appear to be attributing opinions to me that I don't necessarily hold. _ALL_ I was saying was that its misleading to compare suicide rates in Chinese electronics factories with the average rate for the whole of China. Thats all. I wasn't saying that the factories/corporations making westerns electronics are "bad" or that they are driving their workers to suicide. Thats not an opinion that I hold. But if someone wanted to demonstrate or disprove such links then they would compare the suicide rate in those factories with that in all Chinese electronics factories, and not China as a whole. I'm glad that the urban suicide rate is lower than for rural areas. As China urbanises this will mean fewer suicides. Progress. As for as Indian farmers - you are right, I should have written "partly due to the ready availability of agricultural chemicals". I do think, though, that it will be obvious to most people that not all suicides among Indian farms are by chemical poisoning. I didn't mention GM or Monsanto or "big bad multinationals", and I'm really not sure why you did. Feel free to reply, but this thread has gone OT and I've said all I want to say on the subject. Thanks!