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Stock Lamborghini Huracan Ticketed by NYC Noise Camera

4 points by geox 2y ago

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Terr_ 2y ago
AFAICT the law is really just be about vehicle noise level regardless of why it's happening. [0] That makes sense to me: going over $X decibels and "polluting" the space is a problem regardless of whether the car came that way from the factory, or because someone is operating it to "burn rubber", or because they modified the exhaust, etc. All I'd add is that I hope it'd possible to get a waiver if someone can prove an exceptional circumstance, like their car broke and they can't get it fixed (or afford to have it fixed) yet. So I don't know what grounds this guy thinks he has to "fight" the citation, and the shitty link-spam article doesn't say. [0] https://codes.findlaw.com/ny/vehicle-and-traffic-law/vat-sect-386/ https://codes.findlaw.com/ny/vehicle-and-traffic-law/vat-sec...
- gryfft 2y ago
  Thanks for this. Pretty terrible news site.
gryfft 2y ago
> That’s the thing with these pushes to regulate noise out of cities: they often are enforced with such ruthlessness that they end up backfiring. In this case, an automated system is making the call about issuing citations. There’s no police officer inspecting the car and realizing it’s just loud right out of the factory instead of something the owner modded to make it louder. Hmmm. I'm not sure it follows to me that just because a manufacturer made a vehicle which allows an operator to make very loud noises with it, the operator therefore has a legal right to make as much noise as he wants anywhere he wants.
- tsunamifury 2y ago
  It does follow. The law needs to be written as such to guard against it easily being challenged and repealed.
neilv 2y ago
Was the Lamborghini loud enough to deserve a ticket? If so, is the owner saying it's totally not their fault, because it was that way when they bought it?
- Terr_ 2y ago
  Not seeing any special factory-state/modified distinction in the NY sound limits [0]. [0] https://codes.findlaw.com/ny/vehicle-and-traffic-law/vat-sect-386/ https://codes.findlaw.com/ny/vehicle-and-traffic-law/vat-sec...
buildbot 2y ago
Saying this as someone with a fairly loud car (when the exhaust flaps are open) - good. Stock exhausts should follow laws, and manufacturers have been ignoring the limits in the USA at least quite flagrantly. Also, for non-moving car related violations, the impact of an incorrect ticket is very much not the same as the impact of being falsely accused and arrested. Automation in this very narrow case seems like the tradeoffs are worth it, just like automated bus lane tickets.
- tsunamifury 2y ago
  Cars should only be 1db. All cars are ticketed now when they pass my block. You see the problem with your logic here?
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Terr_ 2y ago
Somewhat meta here, can we please not link/upvote this kind of shitty "news" site which jams misleading nonsense click-bait into key phrases? I was just trying to find details on how this guy plans to "fight" the citation, and its all dark-pattern bait-and-switch: 1. "New York City has been using so-called “noise cameras” to bust [modified vehicles] for several years now." -> Links to article about California laws, not New York's. 2. "But one man says his completely stock [Lamborghini Huracan] was issued just such a citation recently and he’s fighting it." -> Links to article about thefts of cars. 3. "Anthony Aquilino owns a 2018 Lamborghini Huracan Performante, which he says he hasn’t modified at all, preferring to keep the [supercar] in factory spec." -> Links to article about abandoned cars... On the other side of the world in frickin' Dubai!

4 points by geox 2y ago

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AFAICT the law is really just be about vehicle noise level regardless of why it's happening. [0] That makes sense to me: going over $X decibels and "polluting" the space is a problem regardless of whether the car came that way from the factory, or because someone is operating it to "burn rubber", or because they modified the exhaust, etc. All I'd add is that I hope it'd possible to get a waiver if someone can prove an exceptional circumstance, like their car broke and they can't get it fixed (or afford to have it fixed) yet. So I don't know what grounds this guy thinks he has to "fight" the citation, and the shitty link-spam article doesn't say. [0] https://codes.findlaw.com/ny/vehicle-and-traffic-law/vat-sect-386/ https://codes.findlaw.com/ny/vehicle-and-traffic-law/vat-sec...

gryfft 2y ago
Thanks for this. Pretty terrible news site.

gryfft 2y ago

> That’s the thing with these pushes to regulate noise out of cities: they often are enforced with such ruthlessness that they end up backfiring. In this case, an automated system is making the call about issuing citations. There’s no police officer inspecting the car and realizing it’s just loud right out of the factory instead of something the owner modded to make it louder. Hmmm. I'm not sure it follows to me that just because a manufacturer made a vehicle which allows an operator to make very loud noises with it, the operator therefore has a legal right to make as much noise as he wants anywhere he wants.

tsunamifury 2y ago
It does follow. The law needs to be written as such to guard against it easily being challenged and repealed.

neilv 2y ago

Was the Lamborghini loud enough to deserve a ticket? If so, is the owner saying it's totally not their fault, because it was that way when they bought it?

Terr_ 2y ago
Not seeing any special factory-state/modified distinction in the NY sound limits [0]. [0] https://codes.findlaw.com/ny/vehicle-and-traffic-law/vat-sect-386/ https://codes.findlaw.com/ny/vehicle-and-traffic-law/vat-sec...

buildbot 2y ago

Saying this as someone with a fairly loud car (when the exhaust flaps are open) - good. Stock exhausts should follow laws, and manufacturers have been ignoring the limits in the USA at least quite flagrantly. Also, for non-moving car related violations, the impact of an incorrect ticket is very much not the same as the impact of being falsely accused and arrested. Automation in this very narrow case seems like the tradeoffs are worth it, just like automated bus lane tickets.

tsunamifury 2y ago
Cars should only be 1db. All cars are ticketed now when they pass my block. You see the problem with your logic here?
- deleted 2y ago
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Terr_ 2y ago

Somewhat meta here, can we please not link/upvote this kind of shitty "news" site which jams misleading nonsense click-bait into key phrases? I was just trying to find details on how this guy plans to "fight" the citation, and its all dark-pattern bait-and-switch: 1. "New York City has been using so-called “noise cameras” to bust [modified vehicles] for several years now." -> Links to article about California laws, not New York's. 2. "But one man says his completely stock [Lamborghini Huracan] was issued just such a citation recently and he’s fighting it." -> Links to article about thefts of cars. 3. "Anthony Aquilino owns a 2018 Lamborghini Huracan Performante, which he says he hasn’t modified at all, preferring to keep the [supercar] in factory spec." -> Links to article about abandoned cars... On the other side of the world in frickin' Dubai!