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Starlink and X are completely separate entities.

jrflowers 2y ago
They are both privately owned by a dude that reinstated accounts that make threats against members of Brazil’s supreme court(1) and then recently tried to reframe it as a petty squabble about posting by posting weird angry AI-generated memes about a judge (2). It is unsurprising to see somebody that’s actively trying to push the envelope about a country’s sovereignty be hit with sanctions on their business operations inside said country. 1 https://apnews.com/article/brazil-musk-x-twitter-moraes-bef06c0dbbb8ed87495b1afbb0edf211 https://apnews.com/article/brazil-musk-x-twitter-moraes-bef0... 2 https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/world/elon-musk-posts-ai-photos-of-brazilian-judge-in-jail-insults-him-with-name-on-toilet-paper/ar-AA1pDY1n https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/world/elon-musk-posts-ai-phot...
- miohtama 2y ago
  This has been controversial in Brazil - not 100% clear cut. While suspending some of accounts making threats should be supported, de Moraes has been also going after what seem to be legit political activity https://www-gazetadopovo-com-br.translate.goog/vida-e-cidadania/redes-sociais-se-unem-contra-censura-do-stf-contra-pco/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp https://www-gazetadopovo-com-br.translate.goog/vida-e-cidada... Furthermore, instead of banning the accounts upfront, for disputed casese, it would seem to be a fair to have court process for the people involved and let them defend their behaviour. > Last week, the Supreme Court justices ruled on six appeals filed by Twitter, Telegram, TikTok, Google (owner of YouTube) and Meta (the group that controls Facebook and Instagram) against Moraes' decision in a virtual session. They all unanimously considered that blocking all channels, profiles and accounts of a person or party is an act of prior censorship, something expressly prohibited by the Constitution and also clearly rejected by the Internet Civil Rights Framework, in respect of freedom of expression.
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guax 2y ago
Yes, on paper. The legal action against Starlink has claimed that they're being considered part of the same economic group for being controlled by the same private owner, who is considered direct responsible for the violations of one of them. Which is true.
reginald78 2y ago
Separate legal entities, according to the US legal system, yes. But they definitely aren't completely separate entities. It isn't like Brazil targeted Starlink at random.
sillyfluke 2y ago
Not to Elon Musk they are not. He uses all them as leverage to get favorable deals for his other companies. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41281756 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41281756 In the practical sense, Twitter is the marketing arm of all his other companies. My theory was that he was acting out belligerently against the Brazillian government because his other companies had minimal or no presence in Brazil. Didn't think of Starlink presence frankly. Regardless, since he himself uses Twitter as quid pro quo with other governments, I'm guessing he saw this move a mile away.
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They are both privately owned by a dude that reinstated accounts that make threats against members of Brazil’s supreme court(1) and then recently tried to reframe it as a petty squabble about posting by posting weird angry AI-generated memes about a judge (2). It is unsurprising to see somebody that’s actively trying to push the envelope about a country’s sovereignty be hit with sanctions on their business operations inside said country. 1 https://apnews.com/article/brazil-musk-x-twitter-moraes-bef06c0dbbb8ed87495b1afbb0edf211 https://apnews.com/article/brazil-musk-x-twitter-moraes-bef0... 2 https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/world/elon-musk-posts-ai-photos-of-brazilian-judge-in-jail-insults-him-with-name-on-toilet-paper/ar-AA1pDY1n https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/world/elon-musk-posts-ai-phot...

miohtama 2y ago
This has been controversial in Brazil - not 100% clear cut. While suspending some of accounts making threats should be supported, de Moraes has been also going after what seem to be legit political activity https://www-gazetadopovo-com-br.translate.goog/vida-e-cidadania/redes-sociais-se-unem-contra-censura-do-stf-contra-pco/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp https://www-gazetadopovo-com-br.translate.goog/vida-e-cidada... Furthermore, instead of banning the accounts upfront, for disputed casese, it would seem to be a fair to have court process for the people involved and let them defend their behaviour. > Last week, the Supreme Court justices ruled on six appeals filed by Twitter, Telegram, TikTok, Google (owner of YouTube) and Meta (the group that controls Facebook and Instagram) against Moraes' decision in a virtual session. They all unanimously considered that blocking all channels, profiles and accounts of a person or party is an act of prior censorship, something expressly prohibited by the Constitution and also clearly rejected by the Internet Civil Rights Framework, in respect of freedom of expression.

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guax 2y ago

Yes, on paper. The legal action against Starlink has claimed that they're being considered part of the same economic group for being controlled by the same private owner, who is considered direct responsible for the violations of one of them. Which is true.

reginald78 2y ago

Separate legal entities, according to the US legal system, yes. But they definitely aren't completely separate entities. It isn't like Brazil targeted Starlink at random.

sillyfluke 2y ago

Not to Elon Musk they are not. He uses all them as leverage to get favorable deals for his other companies. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41281756 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41281756 In the practical sense, Twitter is the marketing arm of all his other companies. My theory was that he was acting out belligerently against the Brazillian government because his other companies had minimal or no presence in Brazil. Didn't think of Starlink presence frankly. Regardless, since he himself uses Twitter as quid pro quo with other governments, I'm guessing he saw this move a mile away.

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