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As if brave were a good or objective source for this topic.

by tomComb 2y ago

neilv 2y ago
Do you mean that Brave is a competitor, or something else?
- TylerE 2y ago
  Both a competitor AND a history of operating in, to be polite, less than good faith.
  - nicce 2y ago
    As a competitor, let's add that they are ad company too.
    - bad_user 2y ago
      Name one browser that isn't funded by ads. Even the minor browsers, pretending to not be funded by ads at this point (while the VC capital is drying up) depend on one of the 3 browser engines, all of which are funded by ads.
      - zimpenfish 2y ago
        > Name one browser that isn't funded by ads. Safari? Unless you're going to say that Apple gets the money for Safari through ads which, y'know, technically correct but disingenuous in this context, surely.
        bad_user 2y ago
        Google is paying Apple 20 billion per year in their search deal, which is 40 times more than what Mozilla takes. Safari is funded ENTIRELY by Google's ads, also making a profit, and this is a fact. We can entertain a counterfactual, maybe Safari would still be funded without Google funding it with billions, but that's not the world we live in today. And given Apple's reluctance to advance the web, going against their other cash cows, it's disingenuous to suggest otherwise. I recommend reading this opinion: https://infrequently.org/2022/06/apple-is-not-defending-browser-engine-choice/ https://infrequently.org/2022/06/apple-is-not-defending-brow...
      - gkbrk 2y ago
        Ladybird is funded entirely through donations, and doesn't depend on one of the 3 browser engines.
        bad_user 2y ago
        Ladybird is vaporware at this point.
  - hnben 2y ago
    > less than good faith Could you elaborate? (I know next to nothing about Brave, so I may not be aware of obvious examples)
    - user_7832 2y ago
      Not the person you're replying to and neither do I fully agree with them, but brave haa had issues with their crypto (BAT) system. Nothing that appears purposely malicious but quite possibly misleading in some cases. See: 1 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brave_(web_browser)#Business_model https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brave_(web_browser)#Business_m... 2 - https://web.archive.org/web/20181224011529/https://twitter.com/tomscott/status/1076160979388518407 https://web.archive.org/web/20181224011529/https://twitter.c...
hapless 2y ago
Obviously they have a commercial incentive to complain about Chrome, but that doesn't make their complaint untrue

As if brave were a good or objective source for this topic.

neilv 2y ago

Do you mean that Brave is a competitor, or something else?

TylerE 2y ago
Both a competitor AND a history of operating in, to be polite, less than good faith.
- nicce 2y ago
  As a competitor, let's add that they are ad company too.
  - bad_user 2y ago
    Name one browser that isn't funded by ads. Even the minor browsers, pretending to not be funded by ads at this point (while the VC capital is drying up) depend on one of the 3 browser engines, all of which are funded by ads.
    - zimpenfish 2y ago
      > Name one browser that isn't funded by ads. Safari? Unless you're going to say that Apple gets the money for Safari through ads which, y'know, technically correct but disingenuous in this context, surely.
      - bad_user 2y ago
        Google is paying Apple 20 billion per year in their search deal, which is 40 times more than what Mozilla takes. Safari is funded ENTIRELY by Google's ads, also making a profit, and this is a fact. We can entertain a counterfactual, maybe Safari would still be funded without Google funding it with billions, but that's not the world we live in today. And given Apple's reluctance to advance the web, going against their other cash cows, it's disingenuous to suggest otherwise. I recommend reading this opinion: https://infrequently.org/2022/06/apple-is-not-defending-browser-engine-choice/ https://infrequently.org/2022/06/apple-is-not-defending-brow...
    - gkbrk 2y ago
      Ladybird is funded entirely through donations, and doesn't depend on one of the 3 browser engines.
      - bad_user 2y ago
        Ladybird is vaporware at this point.
- hnben 2y ago
  > less than good faith Could you elaborate? (I know next to nothing about Brave, so I may not be aware of obvious examples)
  - user_7832 2y ago
    Not the person you're replying to and neither do I fully agree with them, but brave haa had issues with their crypto (BAT) system. Nothing that appears purposely malicious but quite possibly misleading in some cases. See: 1 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brave_(web_browser)#Business_model https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brave_(web_browser)#Business_m... 2 - https://web.archive.org/web/20181224011529/https://twitter.com/tomscott/status/1076160979388518407 https://web.archive.org/web/20181224011529/https://twitter.c...

hapless 2y ago

Obviously they have a commercial incentive to complain about Chrome, but that doesn't make their complaint untrue