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That’s the concept behind the entire discussion. I don’t know how you’ve missed it.

Retric 2y ago
Prisons labor is already forced. It’s even an enumerated exception in the constitution. If you argument was simply to send these people to prison then just suggest that. The only thing worth discussing is non prison labor and thus non forced labor.
- dumbo-octopus 2y ago
  Has the parent comment already fallen out of your context window? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41386593 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41386593 That’s exactly what I’m suggesting, you’re wasting my time if you can’t even keep track of a basic thread.
  - Retric 2y ago
    > out of your context window Nope, the original context: There are no jobs that want jobless people. There's few that even want 18 year olds Your response was: Plenty of work for prison laborers. My response of “at 20-50 cents an hour, but that’s not really relevant here.“ Obviously 20-50 cents is the nominal prison labor rate, but it also excludes the overhead of keeping prisoners which is what makes it “irrelevant” as a cost. Thus by responding to the nominal rate you implicitly acknowledged we are no longer talking about prisoners because the actual cost of prison labor is ~64,000$ / year / inmate not their nominal wage.
    - dumbo-octopus 2y ago
      https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41401102 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41401102
      - Retric 2y ago
        “No, because the people are already a net drain on society.” Not a 64,000$ drain on society. There’s roughly 1 correction officer per 4.9 inmates and that excludes many jobs associated with prisoners like administrative staff etc. Inmates are really fucking expensive.
        dumbo-octopus 2y ago
        Oh you sweet summer child. I wish they only cost the taxpayers 64k a pop. (again, purely financial, ignoring the heath/safety/psychological). > a single shelter bed could cost up to $70,000 https://sfstandard.com/2022/12/30/ending-homelessness-in-san-francisco-will-cost-1-4-billion-city-says/ https://sfstandard.com/2022/12/30/ending-homelessness-in-san...
        Retric 2y ago
        64k is a slightly outdated national average. California pays $132,860 per inmate (2023) and SF is higher than that.

Prisons labor is already forced. It’s even an enumerated exception in the constitution. If you argument was simply to send these people to prison then just suggest that. The only thing worth discussing is non prison labor and thus non forced labor.

dumbo-octopus 2y ago
Has the parent comment already fallen out of your context window? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41386593 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41386593 That’s exactly what I’m suggesting, you’re wasting my time if you can’t even keep track of a basic thread.
- Retric 2y ago
  > out of your context window Nope, the original context: There are no jobs that want jobless people. There's few that even want 18 year olds Your response was: Plenty of work for prison laborers. My response of “at 20-50 cents an hour, but that’s not really relevant here.“ Obviously 20-50 cents is the nominal prison labor rate, but it also excludes the overhead of keeping prisoners which is what makes it “irrelevant” as a cost. Thus by responding to the nominal rate you implicitly acknowledged we are no longer talking about prisoners because the actual cost of prison labor is ~64,000$ / year / inmate not their nominal wage.
  - dumbo-octopus 2y ago
    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41401102 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41401102
    - Retric 2y ago
      “No, because the people are already a net drain on society.” Not a 64,000$ drain on society. There’s roughly 1 correction officer per 4.9 inmates and that excludes many jobs associated with prisoners like administrative staff etc. Inmates are really fucking expensive.
      - dumbo-octopus 2y ago
        Oh you sweet summer child. I wish they only cost the taxpayers 64k a pop. (again, purely financial, ignoring the heath/safety/psychological). > a single shelter bed could cost up to $70,000 https://sfstandard.com/2022/12/30/ending-homelessness-in-san-francisco-will-cost-1-4-billion-city-says/ https://sfstandard.com/2022/12/30/ending-homelessness-in-san...
        Retric 2y ago
        64k is a slightly outdated national average. California pays $132,860 per inmate (2023) and SF is higher than that.