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Looks like a few QoL improvements and bug fixes. Nothing disruptive that would normally come with a major release version. Looks like you can set a password o
by freedomben 2y ago
Looks like a few QoL improvements and bug fixes. Nothing disruptive that would normally come with a major release version.
Looks like you can set a password on it now, which is cool (though I personally like having linux perms govern access to my screen/tmux). Multiinput sounds interesting as well, though in the past that was a feature I thought I'd love to have, but once I had I never use.
I'm glad to see Screen is still getting some love :-)
I ran screen for years before finally switching to tmux around 2011, and it's impact is still heavy as my tmux config is still rocking my "make tmux controls like screen while transitioning" setup which I intended to be temporary. Ctrl+a from my cold dead fingers
- mdaniel 2y ago> Ctrl+a from my cold dead fingers As someone who uses `set -o emacs` I cannot possibly imagine pressing C-a C-a to go to the beginning of the line Also, as an iTerm2 user: the integration with tmux control mode (tmux -CC) is just amazing for the way I use tmux
- mrj 2y agoYeah maddening! But you can remap it. I use this in my .screenrc to make it C-f: escape ^Ff
- Jtsummers 2y agoC-f moves forward a character which is also useful. The easiest to type character that had the least impact I could find was to remap to C-j. Works well in both Dvorak and Qwerty layouts and that's the one emacs shortcut I use so infrequently that I can live with having to type it twice.
- qup 2y agoC-Space here
- foobarian 2y agoC-t for me
- stragulus 2y agoC-o here. And C-x or C-p on a few rare nested screens in one particular screen session that I always have open. Those are identified by differently colored tabs in the hardstatus bar which is always visible.
- PeterWhittaker 2y agoThat’s my default as well, worked great, except on a machine with shared sessions, a test driver machine where several of us will login as the same user: some of those people come from windows machines where ctrl-space gets mapped to ctrl-@, which is NUL. So we had to find another prefix for those machines; fortunately, tmux can have two. This (space->@->NUL) is mentioned in the tmux docs, tbh.
- khc 2y agoI map mine to C^] which I find to be a good balance between easy to type and not conflicting with other tools
- sam_lowry_ 2y agoTwo hands gesture? No way!
- remram 2y agoThis is actually a very handy readline shortcut to search for a character. Useful when editing long command lines. Granted, I use Ctrl-Shift-] more often (searches backwards).
- bicolao 2y agoAs someone who also uses emacs, I type C-a a so often that sometimes I do the same in emacs and it leaves an extra a. It's quite rare though.
- jbaber 2y agoAs a vim user, this was my attitude about ctrl-b ctrl-b for pgup because tmux uses that. But I got used to it. Like many a screen convert to tmux, I used to map to ctrl-a, but I found myself actually getting pinky/wrist pain from using just my left hand. As a non-emacs user, I'm not okay with that :P So ctrl-b forces me to use two hands.
- freedomben 2y agoC-a C-a definitely annoyed me at first, but I got used to it and now I don't mind it at all.
- rwmj 2y agoI remap the screen escape key to Shift-Ctrl-^: escape ^^^
- trallnag 2y agoI wonder how many people are using the default b key binding in tmux
- entropie 2y agoNo emacs user. I use p in screen and tmux as prefix key. I usually prefer tmux.
- sorrythanks 2y agoYour use of p surprises me if you don't use b for emacs reasons! How do you go up a line!?
- entropie 2y agoIam pretty sure that was a recommendation in the emacswiki to use ^P instead of ^A as prefix key (that must be 15+ years ago). I think I didnt invest to much energy to think about an alternative. I almost never use ^P in my terminal emulator, but I use ^A all the time. I usually never do heavy editing in a tmux window. Rarely I use emacs in a terminal window these days. I use tramp to remote connect and edit comfortably in my X session.
- setopt 2y agoI dropped the prefix entirely: https://github.com/jabirali/tmux-tilish https://github.com/jabirali/tmux-tilish
- 331c8c71 2y agoI do.
- vindex10 2y agoI usually use ctrl+a locally but ctrl+b remotely, so they don't clash when nested.
- lanstin 2y agoI use back-tick `. For nested, it becomes `` or ````. For twice nested and I'm writing a shell script with ` instead of $( .. ) It's ```````` (I'm an emacs user, I need all the control characters :)
- aeonik 2y agoWhy did you switch to tmux? It seems to me that screen is more ubiquitous, and has more features. Having a modem is a pretty handy thing built into it.
- Jtsummers 2y agoNot GP, but ~15 years ago tmux offered a lot better screen splitting options and a few other features that screen did not. That's why I switched. I did continue to use screen at work because it was ubiquitous, but then sysads started installing tmux as well and that was no longer an issue. screen has improved a lot since then, but it lagged behind substantially for years.
- freedomben 2y agoYes, this is exactly why I switched as well. Also a benefit was actually being able to understand and edit my conf file without having to RTFM everything. Certainly not a reason to switch by itself, but a nice plus.
- ho_schi 2y agoPeople say tmux is more powerful. Whatever that means? Screen seems to cover all my needs and it learning it is easy. I came for the tabs (windows), sessions, copy and paste - but the must have for everyone is the scrollback buffer. You need it! Especially since we can scroll one the plain terminal.
- mhitza 2y ago> People say tmux is more powerful. Whatever that means? I very rarely use screen/tmux nowadays, but as I recall tmux is a better fit for someone who wants to script their interaction. It makes it easy to send keys to other panes/windows in the session, and also to capture the content from other existing panes/windows.
- ho_schi 2y agoThanks. I don’t need that features but I see the use case for others.
- kzrdude 2y agoTruecolor finally being released is big
- thanatos519 2y agoI'm looking forward to trying this indeed. I'm wondering if the use of wcwdith() will improve my luck with using UTF-8 characters in my caption and hardstatus lines. I'd like to be using nerdfonts in there but it just makes a mess.
- kevin_thibedeau 2y agoThe entire wchar_t API is hopelessly broken. It isn't guaranteed to represent Unicode nor is it guaranteed to be UTF-32. Unicode has a large number of codepoints designated as ambiguous width. This is largely due to existing narrow text presentation symbols being gifted a wide emoji representation. Which width is the default is heavily dependent on the font(s) in use and your rendering engine. Gnome VTE has a configuration option to set the default width for ambiguous codepoints. Any program has to expect wide, narrow, or an inconsistent mixture of both if font substitutions are invoked. With no actual API to reliably discover a codepoint display width, your best option is to print some candidates and check the cursor position as a heuristic.
- int_19h 2y agoFWIW, wchar_t is guaranteed to be Unicode if __STDC_ISO_10646__ is defined, which is the case on Linux/glibc. It's too bad that other platforms are lagging behind on this - there's really no good reason to not guarantee this in 2024. Windows at least has the excuse of having wchar_t be 16-bit which they can't change for legacy compat reasons, but that doesn't explain why e.g. FreeBSD isn't there yet.
- dolmen 2y agoThis article may give you some informed answer: https://mitchellh.com/writing/grapheme-clusters-in-terminals https://mitchellh.com/writing/grapheme-clusters-in-terminals
- josephcsible 2y ago> Looks like you can set a password on it now, which is cool I wish they didn't support that. There's not actually a security boundary there since you can't just reattach to another user's session anyway, and a lot of security people make stupid rules like "if something supports a password, you always have to use one".
- lloeki 2y agoThe one thing I hate about tmux is that it leaks env vars across instances: # terminal 1, start a fresh first tmux session, which magically spawns a daemon with the same env $ env FOO=bar tmux # terminal 2, start another tmux session, which reuses the daemon's env $ tmux $ echo $FOO bar Try the same with `screen` and you're safe. This is especially annoying when you're using, say, direnv, and project-specific env vars appear magically on an unrelated subsequent session because your first `tmux` turned out to be from a direnv-enabled directory, which polluted the global environment, which in turn pollutes every subsequent session environment as long as a session (not necessarily the original one) is alive. Replace FOO with SOME_SECRET/ACCESS_KEY/TOKEN and you can actually accidentally expose/leak stuff or point to the wrong thing. The unattended workaround is to have the tmux daemon spawn at login via `start-server` + enable some tmux settings like `exit-empty` plus some I can't recall regarding environment handling, but nobody does that.
- Arnavion 2y agoYou can start the server as a user session service if you have a service manager for that, like systemd, instead of needing to do it manually. For systemd specifically, tmux also supports socket activation for the server since some time ago, so you can do that to start it on-demand.
- rauhl 2y ago> The unattended workaround is to have the tmux daemon spawn at login via `start-server` + enable some tmux settings like `exit-empty` plus some I can't recall regarding environment handling, but nobody does that. I just have my terminal emulator spin up tmux when it starts, and I start my terminal emulator from my desktop, so it always runs in a clean environment.
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- rauhl 2y ago> Ctrl+a from my cold dead fingers That conflicts with the standard Emacs binding to move to the beginning of the current line. Many years ago, I switched to C-z instead, on the theory that it is really easy to type C-z C-z when I really want to suspend whatever is currently running. Pity that (AFAICT) terminals have no concept of Super and Hyper (USB doesn’t know about Hyper, either, but at least X11 does).
- MaxBarraclough 2y ago> That conflicts with the standard Emacs binding to move to the beginning of the current line Also in Bash.
- porksoda 2y agoOur finger memory for ^a is now ^a-a. In all apps, everywhere. Mostly that just results in something like select-all+select-all, but occasionally it's awful
- jart 2y agotrue color support is a big deal. I've been waiting for that for years.