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Unnecessary politics in certain tech spheres is still a norm. For example, here's GNOME the desktop being concerned about climate change: https://discourse.gn

by srid 2y ago

Unnecessary politics in certain tech spheres is still a norm. For example, here's GNOME the desktop being concerned about climate change: https://discourse.gnome.org/t/question-to-candidates-the-board-and-the-climate/3475 https://discourse.gnome.org/t/question-to-candidates-the-boa...

consteval 2y ago
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- bun_terminator 2y ago
  Would you feel the same way if the message was "make America great again"? And yes I did remove python from a big private repo and will argue against it at work when the question arises.
  - mharig 2y ago
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  - thebigspacefuck 2y ago
    What will you replace it with?
    - bun_terminator 2y ago
      in my case: c++ In the more general cases: No idea
  - consteval 2y ago
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- zahlman 2y ago
  > We're all gonna stop using a tool because they offhand mentioned something we don't agree with? No. Well, I'm not, anyway - despite my skin in the game (https://zahlman.github.io/politics/the-psf/2024/07/31/an-open-letter-to-the-psf-coc-wg.html https://zahlman.github.io/politics/the-psf/2024/07/31/an-ope...). But I am going to offer harsh criticism of those who abuse their platforms. This sort of thing is nothing new in Python circles. It notably led to Jack Diederich's resignation from the PSF in June 2020 (https://discuss.python.org/t/the-psf-should-be-less-political-not-more/4329/ https://discuss.python.org/t/the-psf-should-be-less-politica...) and may have contributed to the mass exodus of core devs in November 2020. > why is everyone acting like a baby? Just move on. Who cares. Python is a language, who gives a fuck My understanding is that a higher standard of discourse is expected on HN. Also, I rather suspect your tone would be different if you didn't happen to agree with the message. Please consider that such bias is not in keeping with the spirit of the free exchange of ideas or the core principles of open source. > You're telling me y'all ACTUALLY found this webpage and scrolled through it organically? Yes. This page is the official, primary means by which the Python team announces a new release of Python. That's kind of a big deal.
  - consteval 2y ago
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- xigoi 2y ago
  A programming language is a tool. It should not have an official stance on political issues, whether you agree with it or not.
  - consteval 2y ago
    It doesn't have an official stance, you guys are just making assumptions and performing hyperbole for your own outrage. Did they endorse the DNC and I missed it? No, they didn't. Seriously, again - come oooooon.
    - zahlman 2y ago
      >Did they endorse the DNC and I missed it? They did endorse BLM (the organization, along with its very specific message which is not related to the business of writing code). You seem to have missed the link I previously fed you: https://discuss.python.org/t/the-psf-should-be-less-political-not-more/4329 https://discuss.python.org/t/the-psf-should-be-less-politica... Which was in reference to: https://x.com/ThePSF/status/1267591714925133825 https://x.com/ThePSF/status/1267591714925133825
- anonfordays 2y ago
  Oh come on guys, this is silly. We're all gonna stop using a tool because they offhand mentioned something we don't agree with? I mean, these tools are developed by people - people have opinions. I understand politics is very divisive, but why is everyone acting like a baby? Just move on. Who cares. Python is a language, who gives a fuck they included a meme about it's OK to be White? I'm convinced nobody even found this meme organically anyway, rather one person found it and then sent it around to all their like-minded friends so they can sit around and point and laugh and complain together. You're telling me y'all ACTUALLY found this webpage and scrolled through it organically? Come oooooon.

by srid 2y ago

consteval 2y ago

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bun_terminator 2y ago
Would you feel the same way if the message was "make America great again"? And yes I did remove python from a big private repo and will argue against it at work when the question arises.
- mharig 2y ago
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- thebigspacefuck 2y ago
  What will you replace it with?
  - bun_terminator 2y ago
    in my case: c++ In the more general cases: No idea
- consteval 2y ago
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zahlman 2y ago
> We're all gonna stop using a tool because they offhand mentioned something we don't agree with? No. Well, I'm not, anyway - despite my skin in the game (https://zahlman.github.io/politics/the-psf/2024/07/31/an-open-letter-to-the-psf-coc-wg.html https://zahlman.github.io/politics/the-psf/2024/07/31/an-ope...). But I am going to offer harsh criticism of those who abuse their platforms. This sort of thing is nothing new in Python circles. It notably led to Jack Diederich's resignation from the PSF in June 2020 (https://discuss.python.org/t/the-psf-should-be-less-political-not-more/4329/ https://discuss.python.org/t/the-psf-should-be-less-politica...) and may have contributed to the mass exodus of core devs in November 2020. > why is everyone acting like a baby? Just move on. Who cares. Python is a language, who gives a fuck My understanding is that a higher standard of discourse is expected on HN. Also, I rather suspect your tone would be different if you didn't happen to agree with the message. Please consider that such bias is not in keeping with the spirit of the free exchange of ideas or the core principles of open source. > You're telling me y'all ACTUALLY found this webpage and scrolled through it organically? Yes. This page is the official, primary means by which the Python team announces a new release of Python. That's kind of a big deal.
- consteval 2y ago
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xigoi 2y ago
A programming language is a tool. It should not have an official stance on political issues, whether you agree with it or not.
- consteval 2y ago
  It doesn't have an official stance, you guys are just making assumptions and performing hyperbole for your own outrage. Did they endorse the DNC and I missed it? No, they didn't. Seriously, again - come oooooon.
  - zahlman 2y ago
    >Did they endorse the DNC and I missed it? They did endorse BLM (the organization, along with its very specific message which is not related to the business of writing code). You seem to have missed the link I previously fed you: https://discuss.python.org/t/the-psf-should-be-less-political-not-more/4329 https://discuss.python.org/t/the-psf-should-be-less-politica... Which was in reference to: https://x.com/ThePSF/status/1267591714925133825 https://x.com/ThePSF/status/1267591714925133825
anonfordays 2y ago
Oh come on guys, this is silly. We're all gonna stop using a tool because they offhand mentioned something we don't agree with? I mean, these tools are developed by people - people have opinions. I understand politics is very divisive, but why is everyone acting like a baby? Just move on. Who cares. Python is a language, who gives a fuck they included a meme about it's OK to be White? I'm convinced nobody even found this meme organically anyway, rather one person found it and then sent it around to all their like-minded friends so they can sit around and point and laugh and complain together. You're telling me y'all ACTUALLY found this webpage and scrolled through it organically? Come oooooon.