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> Even if that is factually correct -- a generous assumption I don't think it's a generous so much as reasonable assumption given the size and impact of the Li

> Even if that is factually correct -- a generous assumption I don't think it's a generous so much as reasonable assumption given the size and impact of the Linux project, and that there were much more anti-ms people in the late 90s and 2000s. > so what? I gave my perspective in a context where it seemed relevant. Why so adversarial?

pdimitar 2y ago
My apologies if I came across adversarial. I just realized that I shortened "what's the relevance to the argument at hand?" to "so what?" as I was in a rush. Sorry again.
- ruthmarx 2y ago
  No worries, and thanks! The relevance to the argument at hand, I think, I was just stating an anecdote to show a scale of sorts. I think talking about the level of zealotry is relevant and kind of interesting.
  - pdimitar 2y ago
    I don't disagree, it's an interesting topic to try and understand what makes people so radical and why are they so adamant in being such. At the same time, it's very disheartening for me how so many people wouldn't use something just because there are zealots who can't shut up about it. :(
    - mionhe 2y ago
      The problem with loud zealotry in a group is that anybody who brushes against it that might be interested sees the zealotry and realizes they'll have to associate with the zealots.
      - pdimitar 2y ago
        Do you really have to associate with the zealots though? I for one have been an Elixir and Rust advocate for a while but always made it 100% clear, in every discussion, that there are right tools for the job and that sometimes you just need to whip out a quick Python script and be done with the task at hand, for example. This has mostly worked well for me, and paradoxically only HN is the place where even trying to defend Rust on its actual technical (as in: objective) merits still gets you labeled as a "Rust loonie" or "a zealot" or "Rust evangelist strike force". Even Reddit, that I view as an absolute cesspool, and had accounts banned for asking a question clearly adhering to the template given in the subreddit, has more nuanced discussions on Rust. I find that quite fascinating, and even though my HN account is fairly non-recent, I still don't associate with the apparently very bone-headed people who jump like hit by a power line when Rust is mentioned.

pdimitar 2y ago

My apologies if I came across adversarial. I just realized that I shortened "what's the relevance to the argument at hand?" to "so what?" as I was in a rush. Sorry again.

ruthmarx 2y ago
No worries, and thanks! The relevance to the argument at hand, I think, I was just stating an anecdote to show a scale of sorts. I think talking about the level of zealotry is relevant and kind of interesting.
- pdimitar 2y ago
  I don't disagree, it's an interesting topic to try and understand what makes people so radical and why are they so adamant in being such. At the same time, it's very disheartening for me how so many people wouldn't use something just because there are zealots who can't shut up about it. :(
  - mionhe 2y ago
    The problem with loud zealotry in a group is that anybody who brushes against it that might be interested sees the zealotry and realizes they'll have to associate with the zealots.
    - pdimitar 2y ago
      Do you really have to associate with the zealots though? I for one have been an Elixir and Rust advocate for a while but always made it 100% clear, in every discussion, that there are right tools for the job and that sometimes you just need to whip out a quick Python script and be done with the task at hand, for example. This has mostly worked well for me, and paradoxically only HN is the place where even trying to defend Rust on its actual technical (as in: objective) merits still gets you labeled as a "Rust loonie" or "a zealot" or "Rust evangelist strike force". Even Reddit, that I view as an absolute cesspool, and had accounts banned for asking a question clearly adhering to the template given in the subreddit, has more nuanced discussions on Rust. I find that quite fascinating, and even though my HN account is fairly non-recent, I still don't associate with the apparently very bone-headed people who jump like hit by a power line when Rust is mentioned.