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Well, the claim was wrong then. It should have been: Aggregate total hours will decrease. Or similar. So now we have a erroneous KPI and the media - who should

Well, the claim was wrong then. It should have been: Aggregate total hours will decrease. Or similar. So now we have a erroneous KPI and the media - who should know better - letting their bias misreport the news? Regardless, more workers is not enough to define success.

eesmith 2y ago
If only everyone argued reasonable points. But they don't. So how should others respond? Companies said that the increase in minimum wage would result in cut jobs. Here are some quotes from "Fast food workers are losing their jobs in California as new minimum wage law takes effect" at https://eu.usatoday.com/story/money/food/2024/03/26/california-minimum-wage-jobs/73107149007/ https://eu.usatoday.com/story/money/food/2024/03/26/californ... : "Multiple businesses have plans to axe hundreds of jobs", "Pizza Hut announced cuts to more than 1,200 delivery jobs in December", and "Round Table Pizza, has plans to cut 73 driver jobs". Can we now say that those predicted claims of doom and gloom did not result in meaningful job loss in that sector? When that was published last March, should the reporter have known better and not written that article? Or should the reporter have commented that these were meaningless KPIs and asked the relevant corporate spokespeople to restate their claims using better ones? Or reported that the companies may be lying through their teeth as an excuse to keep profits high? Given that these publications exist, what should CA and Newsom do to highlight how the predicted job loss didn't occur? What are the right KPIs and are they even available in a way which can be compared across the state?
- chiefalchemist 2y ago
  > If only everyone argued reasonable points. But they don't. So how should others respond? The Media is not everyone. The Fourth Estate has a responsibility to do its job. That is, to ask questions and inform the public. If it's going to parrot press releases, then that should be listed as full disclosure somewhere in the article.
  - eesmith 2y ago
    What are you going to do, write a letter to the editor and threaten to stop buying their news? Create your own news site? Research and publish the full context in HN comments? Make a context-free complaint on HN? Stop reading HN? Something else? "The Fourth Estate has a responsibility to do its job." is astoundingly naive. Their job is to sell subscriptions. Their job is to get paid a wage. Their job is to make their boss, and corporate owners, happy. Their job is to fill a never-ending blank page with words which rot away in hours while in a disparate fight for attention.
    - chiefalchemist 2y ago
      What am I going to do? I just did it. I called out was Godzilla-size hole in "the facts". I called out what *was not* said. But I'm the bad guy? And the "journalist" get a free pass? Come on now. Stop it. The point is, you're taking issue with me, as if I'm the problem, and the journalist and the publisher have no stay in their own matters? Does that sound reasonable to you?
      - eesmith 2y ago
        You made a context-free answer which required the article author to know what your expectations were. If you were a reader who was worried that the claims about predicted job loss in the fast food industry were right, then the report would be exactly what you wanted to read. News articles do not fill in all the details for every article. For one, regular subscribers would get annoyed to re-read the full details for every article. The demise of paid journalism means few journalists have domain knowledge. This is horrible, and is why I pay for real news, from a news agency I trust. While here you are debating over a free news report from a news source you likely don't subscribe to, in a debate topic you likely haven't been following.
        chiefalchemist 2y ago
        If they don't know basic math; if they don't know basic statistics; if thry're simply going to parrot a narrative... You are not a journalist. You are not doing journalism. Full stop. We need to stop giving barking pets credit for being cats. They're not cats.

eesmith 2y ago

If only everyone argued reasonable points. But they don't. So how should others respond? Companies said that the increase in minimum wage would result in cut jobs. Here are some quotes from "Fast food workers are losing their jobs in California as new minimum wage law takes effect" at https://eu.usatoday.com/story/money/food/2024/03/26/california-minimum-wage-jobs/73107149007/ https://eu.usatoday.com/story/money/food/2024/03/26/californ... : "Multiple businesses have plans to axe hundreds of jobs", "Pizza Hut announced cuts to more than 1,200 delivery jobs in December", and "Round Table Pizza, has plans to cut 73 driver jobs". Can we now say that those predicted claims of doom and gloom did not result in meaningful job loss in that sector? When that was published last March, should the reporter have known better and not written that article? Or should the reporter have commented that these were meaningless KPIs and asked the relevant corporate spokespeople to restate their claims using better ones? Or reported that the companies may be lying through their teeth as an excuse to keep profits high? Given that these publications exist, what should CA and Newsom do to highlight how the predicted job loss didn't occur? What are the right KPIs and are they even available in a way which can be compared across the state?

chiefalchemist 2y ago
> If only everyone argued reasonable points. But they don't. So how should others respond? The Media is not everyone. The Fourth Estate has a responsibility to do its job. That is, to ask questions and inform the public. If it's going to parrot press releases, then that should be listed as full disclosure somewhere in the article.
- eesmith 2y ago
  What are you going to do, write a letter to the editor and threaten to stop buying their news? Create your own news site? Research and publish the full context in HN comments? Make a context-free complaint on HN? Stop reading HN? Something else? "The Fourth Estate has a responsibility to do its job." is astoundingly naive. Their job is to sell subscriptions. Their job is to get paid a wage. Their job is to make their boss, and corporate owners, happy. Their job is to fill a never-ending blank page with words which rot away in hours while in a disparate fight for attention.
  - chiefalchemist 2y ago
    What am I going to do? I just did it. I called out was Godzilla-size hole in "the facts". I called out what *was not* said. But I'm the bad guy? And the "journalist" get a free pass? Come on now. Stop it. The point is, you're taking issue with me, as if I'm the problem, and the journalist and the publisher have no stay in their own matters? Does that sound reasonable to you?
    - eesmith 2y ago
      You made a context-free answer which required the article author to know what your expectations were. If you were a reader who was worried that the claims about predicted job loss in the fast food industry were right, then the report would be exactly what you wanted to read. News articles do not fill in all the details for every article. For one, regular subscribers would get annoyed to re-read the full details for every article. The demise of paid journalism means few journalists have domain knowledge. This is horrible, and is why I pay for real news, from a news agency I trust. While here you are debating over a free news report from a news source you likely don't subscribe to, in a debate topic you likely haven't been following.
      - chiefalchemist 2y ago
        If they don't know basic math; if they don't know basic statistics; if thry're simply going to parrot a narrative... You are not a journalist. You are not doing journalism. Full stop. We need to stop giving barking pets credit for being cats. They're not cats.