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Also see for the last python release notes for some hardcore politics injected right into your tooling language. Python is unfortunately radioactive and can't b

Also see for the last python release notes for some hardcore politics injected right into your tooling language. Python is unfortunately radioactive and can't be used responsibly anymore. They're halfway to selfdestruction

xigoi 2y ago
What specifically are you talking about? I couldn’t find anything political in the Python 3.12 release notes.
- gaganyaan 2y ago
  They probably mean the poem at the bottom here: https://www.python.org/downloads/release/python-3120/ https://www.python.org/downloads/release/python-3120/ Under "And now for something completely different"
  - xigoi 2y ago
    Ah. That’s really inappropriate for a technical document.
    - srid 2y ago
      Unnecessary politics in certain tech spheres is still a norm. For example, here's GNOME the desktop being concerned about climate change: https://discourse.gnome.org/t/question-to-candidates-the-board-and-the-climate/3475 https://discourse.gnome.org/t/question-to-candidates-the-boa...
      - consteval 2y ago
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        bun_terminator 2y ago
        Would you feel the same way if the message was "make America great again"? And yes I did remove python from a big private repo and will argue against it at work when the question arises.
        mharig 2y ago
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        thebigspacefuck 2y ago
        What will you replace it with?
        bun_terminator 2y ago
        in my case: c++ In the more general cases: No idea
        consteval 2y ago
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        zahlman 2y ago
        > We're all gonna stop using a tool because they offhand mentioned something we don't agree with? No. Well, I'm not, anyway - despite my skin in the game (https://zahlman.github.io/politics/the-psf/2024/07/31/an-open-letter-to-the-psf-coc-wg.html https://zahlman.github.io/politics/the-psf/2024/07/31/an-ope...). But I am going to offer harsh criticism of those who abuse their platforms. This sort of thing is nothing new in Python circles. It notably led to Jack Diederich's resignation from the PSF in June 2020 (https://discuss.python.org/t/the-psf-should-be-less-political-not-more/4329/ https://discuss.python.org/t/the-psf-should-be-less-politica...) and may have contributed to the mass exodus of core devs in November 2020. > why is everyone acting like a baby? Just move on. Who cares. Python is a language, who gives a fuck My understanding is that a higher standard of discourse is expected on HN. Also, I rather suspect your tone would be different if you didn't happen to agree with the message. Please consider that such bias is not in keeping with the spirit of the free exchange of ideas or the core principles of open source. > You're telling me y'all ACTUALLY found this webpage and scrolled through it organically? Yes. This page is the official, primary means by which the Python team announces a new release of Python. That's kind of a big deal.
    - bun_terminator 2y ago
      The spicy bit is that this is the first release that contained such a political message. And also the first one that is managed by the guy who started the mess of this post, too! Not exactly sure if he's the one who put it in there, but it's one heck of a coincidence.
    - fivestones 2y ago
      It seems like the point is, you can see the same issue in very different ways. Did you read it from the bottom to the top? I was cringing until I got to the end and found the message to “Now read it bottom to top”. Still not saying it belongs in a technical document but it felt way less abrasive after reading it both directions.

xigoi 2y ago

What specifically are you talking about? I couldn’t find anything political in the Python 3.12 release notes.

gaganyaan 2y ago
They probably mean the poem at the bottom here: https://www.python.org/downloads/release/python-3120/ https://www.python.org/downloads/release/python-3120/ Under "And now for something completely different"
- xigoi 2y ago
  Ah. That’s really inappropriate for a technical document.
  - srid 2y ago
    Unnecessary politics in certain tech spheres is still a norm. For example, here's GNOME the desktop being concerned about climate change: https://discourse.gnome.org/t/question-to-candidates-the-board-and-the-climate/3475 https://discourse.gnome.org/t/question-to-candidates-the-boa...
    - consteval 2y ago
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      - bun_terminator 2y ago
        Would you feel the same way if the message was "make America great again"? And yes I did remove python from a big private repo and will argue against it at work when the question arises.
        mharig 2y ago
        [dead]
        thebigspacefuck 2y ago
        What will you replace it with?
        bun_terminator 2y ago
        in my case: c++ In the more general cases: No idea
        consteval 2y ago
        [flagged]
      - zahlman 2y ago
        > We're all gonna stop using a tool because they offhand mentioned something we don't agree with? No. Well, I'm not, anyway - despite my skin in the game (https://zahlman.github.io/politics/the-psf/2024/07/31/an-open-letter-to-the-psf-coc-wg.html https://zahlman.github.io/politics/the-psf/2024/07/31/an-ope...). But I am going to offer harsh criticism of those who abuse their platforms. This sort of thing is nothing new in Python circles. It notably led to Jack Diederich's resignation from the PSF in June 2020 (https://discuss.python.org/t/the-psf-should-be-less-political-not-more/4329/ https://discuss.python.org/t/the-psf-should-be-less-politica...) and may have contributed to the mass exodus of core devs in November 2020. > why is everyone acting like a baby? Just move on. Who cares. Python is a language, who gives a fuck My understanding is that a higher standard of discourse is expected on HN. Also, I rather suspect your tone would be different if you didn't happen to agree with the message. Please consider that such bias is not in keeping with the spirit of the free exchange of ideas or the core principles of open source. > You're telling me y'all ACTUALLY found this webpage and scrolled through it organically? Yes. This page is the official, primary means by which the Python team announces a new release of Python. That's kind of a big deal.
  - bun_terminator 2y ago
    The spicy bit is that this is the first release that contained such a political message. And also the first one that is managed by the guy who started the mess of this post, too! Not exactly sure if he's the one who put it in there, but it's one heck of a coincidence.
  - fivestones 2y ago
    It seems like the point is, you can see the same issue in very different ways. Did you read it from the bottom to the top? I was cringing until I got to the end and found the message to “Now read it bottom to top”. Still not saying it belongs in a technical document but it felt way less abrasive after reading it both directions.