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> becoming hypernormal becoming -> being, typo, or rather, forgot my own earlier classification

aebtebeten 2y ago
that reminds me, you might be interested in Prigogine, From Being to Becoming: Time and Complexity in the Physical Sciences (1980). Lagniappe: https://xkcd.com/2904/ https://xkcd.com/2904/
- gradschoolfail 2y ago
  I did a cyrsory examination of the genealogy a while back due to the events.. Ilya was probably quite related to.. Yevgeniy (verify?)
  - 082349872349872 2y ago
    on a quick Boyd tangent, the japanese three pwns (三殺法) easily map into Boyd's OODA: kill the sword - you are observing your opponent's actions kill the technique - you are observing your opponent's decisions kill the spirit - you are observing your opponent's orientations
    - gradschoolfail 2y ago
      Not enough spare cycles to chew on that yet, just pointing: To buy time: weirdo -> peripherally oriented hypernormal -> centroidally oriented (Neither really observing the states of opposing camp beyond 1st pwn level, though the hypernormal may regard the other hypernormals as memetic rivals [the individuation in the Apolline]) Linux kernel devs —> … ? (Those customs inherited by crypto coredevs, hence also Yarvin, by diffusion, ..) Edit: something reminds me of the threeway struggle between the RI, the klepts, & the Met in Gibson’s trilogy+adaptation, which is not cleanly an indo-aryan division, as the Met is clearly the 3rd estate yet a warrior caste, while the klepts are merchant princes.. https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/series/TJ3/the-jackpot-trilogy/ https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/series/TJ3/the-jackpot-tr...
      - 082349872349872 2y ago
        Re: "it from bit", the MGM view is that most "it"s arise because the universe is full of interactions with negligible energy but decohering phase. (which physicist said "better to be wrong in an interesting way than right in a boring one"? I guess that was an early weirdo>>hypernormal slogan?) I'm closer to Apache devs than Linux devs, so using them as a proxy I'd guess the Linux devs to be closest to our earlier-proposed third ("hacker") SoS (though not as close as Knuth's squad, who are probably the nonfictional crew having the highest dot product with Castalia of which I am aware). In particular, the geek ethic (a peripheral center?) values prowess and openness simultaneously... [I'll have to read the Jackpots; tarnishing my geek cred I'm only up on Gibson through Neuromancer. On the jock front it's a tournament weekend for us, so my HN b/w will be limited.]
        gradschoolfail 2y ago
        For quick catchup, watch the amazon prime video at 2x. some elements not in the original but imho the screenwriters surpassed Gibson in exposition. casting almost perfect, exactly how i had imagined it. my guess is in the upcoming WG himself will retcon the RI in some form, heh. (If anything, channelling some of the klept’s villainy to academe makes more sense today) “In contrast for China, nature means spontaneity, therefore the future is not completely predictable.” —Ilya Prigogine. Reportedly (could be in the 1980 book? To check later) he also said that the best way to cope with the future is to create it, but he didnt say that you could be thoroughly relaxed about it. Physicist — its tegmark or weinsteins advsior, again, to verify later..
        gradschoolfail 2y ago
        Pardon the interruption of riverian activities, also i understand the b/w concern, yet this is kinda impt (so will repeat later) [One might have to selectively apply MGM amnesia to MGM’s own teachings.. ] Aaronson-Carroll’s quest (and indeed Kolmogorov, Prigogine, AND MGM’s ultimate quest (ergodicity econ)) is to move BEYOND what you just quoted of MGM. (So that old teaching which you had for decades kept in cache is an instance of MGM being correct in a boring way) (you might have been paying attention to my attempts to draw out experts recently?) [i get why experts on quests prefer to stay silent on HN, so, dabblers, blowhards, and cranks are acceptable]

that reminds me, you might be interested in Prigogine, From Being to Becoming: Time and Complexity in the Physical Sciences (1980). Lagniappe: https://xkcd.com/2904/ https://xkcd.com/2904/

gradschoolfail 2y ago
I did a cyrsory examination of the genealogy a while back due to the events.. Ilya was probably quite related to.. Yevgeniy (verify?)
- 082349872349872 2y ago
  on a quick Boyd tangent, the japanese three pwns (三殺法) easily map into Boyd's OODA: kill the sword - you are observing your opponent's actions kill the technique - you are observing your opponent's decisions kill the spirit - you are observing your opponent's orientations
  - gradschoolfail 2y ago
    Not enough spare cycles to chew on that yet, just pointing: To buy time: weirdo -> peripherally oriented hypernormal -> centroidally oriented (Neither really observing the states of opposing camp beyond 1st pwn level, though the hypernormal may regard the other hypernormals as memetic rivals [the individuation in the Apolline]) Linux kernel devs —> … ? (Those customs inherited by crypto coredevs, hence also Yarvin, by diffusion, ..) Edit: something reminds me of the threeway struggle between the RI, the klepts, & the Met in Gibson’s trilogy+adaptation, which is not cleanly an indo-aryan division, as the Met is clearly the 3rd estate yet a warrior caste, while the klepts are merchant princes.. https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/series/TJ3/the-jackpot-trilogy/ https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/series/TJ3/the-jackpot-tr...
    - 082349872349872 2y ago
      Re: "it from bit", the MGM view is that most "it"s arise because the universe is full of interactions with negligible energy but decohering phase. (which physicist said "better to be wrong in an interesting way than right in a boring one"? I guess that was an early weirdo>>hypernormal slogan?) I'm closer to Apache devs than Linux devs, so using them as a proxy I'd guess the Linux devs to be closest to our earlier-proposed third ("hacker") SoS (though not as close as Knuth's squad, who are probably the nonfictional crew having the highest dot product with Castalia of which I am aware). In particular, the geek ethic (a peripheral center?) values prowess and openness simultaneously... [I'll have to read the Jackpots; tarnishing my geek cred I'm only up on Gibson through Neuromancer. On the jock front it's a tournament weekend for us, so my HN b/w will be limited.]
      - gradschoolfail 2y ago
        For quick catchup, watch the amazon prime video at 2x. some elements not in the original but imho the screenwriters surpassed Gibson in exposition. casting almost perfect, exactly how i had imagined it. my guess is in the upcoming WG himself will retcon the RI in some form, heh. (If anything, channelling some of the klept’s villainy to academe makes more sense today) “In contrast for China, nature means spontaneity, therefore the future is not completely predictable.” —Ilya Prigogine. Reportedly (could be in the 1980 book? To check later) he also said that the best way to cope with the future is to create it, but he didnt say that you could be thoroughly relaxed about it. Physicist — its tegmark or weinsteins advsior, again, to verify later..
      - gradschoolfail 2y ago
        Pardon the interruption of riverian activities, also i understand the b/w concern, yet this is kinda impt (so will repeat later) [One might have to selectively apply MGM amnesia to MGM’s own teachings.. ] Aaronson-Carroll’s quest (and indeed Kolmogorov, Prigogine, AND MGM’s ultimate quest (ergodicity econ)) is to move BEYOND what you just quoted of MGM. (So that old teaching which you had for decades kept in cache is an instance of MGM being correct in a boring way) (you might have been paying attention to my attempts to draw out experts recently?) [i get why experts on quests prefer to stay silent on HN, so, dabblers, blowhards, and cranks are acceptable]