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Offshoring has always been an option and blaming it on WFH is pointless. Every company goes through the cycle of offshoring, doing it too much, regretting the d

Offshoring has always been an option and blaming it on WFH is pointless. Every company goes through the cycle of offshoring, doing it too much, regretting the decision and bringing back some of the jobs eventually. We are in the “doing it too much” phase. If they don’t realize their mistakes, they eventually end up being like Boeing. Cheaper coders are cheaper for a reason.

listenallyall 2y ago
Now the cheaper coders have AI. Even if you dont think AI is a panacea (which I don't), it levels the field - especially when people brag about how much they "prompt," as opposed to code. And there are a lot more foreign options than the traditional bottom of the barrel coding farms. Keep thinking that work from home has no negative consequences domestically, and you'll eventually end up like a Boeing castoff.
sofixa 2y ago
> If they don’t realize their mistakes, they eventually end up being like Boeing Very few of Boeing's myriads of problems are related to offshoring (basically only on the 787 program, and it was mostly its initial delays - the recent manufacturing issues are due to low quality work in South Carolina). 737 Max MCAS? Layers upon layers of incompetent people / deadline chasers. It wasn't s software issue, it was a software design issue that should have been caught by the designers, engineers, quality assurance, inspectors. Nobody did their job properly there. 737 Max door blowout? Halfwits forgetting to put bolts back in after sidestepping procedures to save time. Total lack of security culture, missing records, high level pressure to fulfil impossible timelines, and enormous quality issues out of their supplier out of Kansas. 777X delays? Lots of issues, mostly around the engines which isn't Boeing's fault directly.
- jordanb 2y ago
  > 737 Max MCAS? Layers upon layers of incompetent people / deadline chasers. It wasn't s software issue, it was a software design issue that should have been caught by the designers, engineers, quality assurance, inspectors. Nobody did their job properly there. Back when this scandal broke it came out that Boeing had outsourced MCAS software to offshore contractors making $13/hr. From what I understand software development at Boeing Commercial Aviation has been offshored for many years. Boeing only uses US nationals for software development in their military division because they're required to do so by law.

listenallyall 2y ago

Now the cheaper coders have AI. Even if you dont think AI is a panacea (which I don't), it levels the field - especially when people brag about how much they "prompt," as opposed to code. And there are a lot more foreign options than the traditional bottom of the barrel coding farms. Keep thinking that work from home has no negative consequences domestically, and you'll eventually end up like a Boeing castoff.

sofixa 2y ago

> If they don’t realize their mistakes, they eventually end up being like Boeing Very few of Boeing's myriads of problems are related to offshoring (basically only on the 787 program, and it was mostly its initial delays - the recent manufacturing issues are due to low quality work in South Carolina). 737 Max MCAS? Layers upon layers of incompetent people / deadline chasers. It wasn't s software issue, it was a software design issue that should have been caught by the designers, engineers, quality assurance, inspectors. Nobody did their job properly there. 737 Max door blowout? Halfwits forgetting to put bolts back in after sidestepping procedures to save time. Total lack of security culture, missing records, high level pressure to fulfil impossible timelines, and enormous quality issues out of their supplier out of Kansas. 777X delays? Lots of issues, mostly around the engines which isn't Boeing's fault directly.

jordanb 2y ago
> 737 Max MCAS? Layers upon layers of incompetent people / deadline chasers. It wasn't s software issue, it was a software design issue that should have been caught by the designers, engineers, quality assurance, inspectors. Nobody did their job properly there. Back when this scandal broke it came out that Boeing had outsourced MCAS software to offshore contractors making $13/hr. From what I understand software development at Boeing Commercial Aviation has been offshored for many years. Boeing only uses US nationals for software development in their military division because they're required to do so by law.