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Until he starts to capitulate to censorship, especially of anti-Israeli and pro-russian groups, they will continue to pin all indirect criminal activity on him.

Until he starts to capitulate to censorship, especially of anti-Israeli and pro-russian groups, they will continue to pin all indirect criminal activity on him. Free speech is defined as speech free of threats to the establishment.

mjfl 2y ago
I've heard rumors that this particular arrest was made for the unspoken reason that Israel had a major intelligence leak, collections of which are distributed on Telegram that the service has been 'unresponsive' for taking down. France cooperating with Israel on this makes too much sense. https://archive.ph/wpYTK https://archive.ph/wpYTK
- kalrna 2y ago
  It does make more sense as the trigger than the Russia/Ukraine situation. Here is the summary (The original Haaretz article is paywalled, please only focus on the Haaretz quotes and not the rest): https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/anti-israel-hackers-have-released-troves-of-classified-data-haaretz/3308994 https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/anti-israel-hackers-hav... "The leaked data has appeared on platforms like Telegram, prompting a series of takedown attempts by Israeli authorities. However, Telegram’s limited moderation policies have complicated these efforts."
- lores 2y ago
  France has taken a stance on the Israel/Palestine war that is well short of condemning Israel, but is still seen by them as hostile. I doubt they would cooperate in such a high-profile manner. If there is a political goal, it's more likely in order to help Ukraine.
  - nashashmi 2y ago
    A gist of france’s feelings on this: https://www.politico.eu/article/emmanuel-macron-strives-balancing-divided-muslim-jewish-french-communities-war-israel-gaza/ https://www.politico.eu/article/emmanuel-macron-strives-bala... A balance between supporting Israel yet without losing support of the French.
    - lores 2y ago
      Indeed. And more context and Israel's reaction to it: https://archive.is/F3iOl https://archive.is/F3iOl
thefz 2y ago
> Free speech is defined as speech free of threats to the establishment. Well, if free speech for you is pornography with infants...
- ramblerman 2y ago
  Freedom to speak without being overheard. Should all hard drives be monitored by the government because of what they could contain. Also accusing someone of supporting CP in any way for supporting free speech is just a terrible, and really shitty way to try and win your argument.
- nashashmi 2y ago
  That’s a loosely enforced moral code. Not a reason for a high profile arrest like this.
- nashashmi 2y ago
  > Complicity in the administration of an online platform to enable illicit transactions by an organised gang Refusal to communicate with authorities Sounds a lot more like that Telegram is expected to assist law enforcement with investigations into crimes. Inclusion of Csam is to extract public support.

mjfl 2y ago

I've heard rumors that this particular arrest was made for the unspoken reason that Israel had a major intelligence leak, collections of which are distributed on Telegram that the service has been 'unresponsive' for taking down. France cooperating with Israel on this makes too much sense. https://archive.ph/wpYTK https://archive.ph/wpYTK

kalrna 2y ago
It does make more sense as the trigger than the Russia/Ukraine situation. Here is the summary (The original Haaretz article is paywalled, please only focus on the Haaretz quotes and not the rest): https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/anti-israel-hackers-have-released-troves-of-classified-data-haaretz/3308994 https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/anti-israel-hackers-hav... "The leaked data has appeared on platforms like Telegram, prompting a series of takedown attempts by Israeli authorities. However, Telegram’s limited moderation policies have complicated these efforts."
lores 2y ago
France has taken a stance on the Israel/Palestine war that is well short of condemning Israel, but is still seen by them as hostile. I doubt they would cooperate in such a high-profile manner. If there is a political goal, it's more likely in order to help Ukraine.
- nashashmi 2y ago
  A gist of france’s feelings on this: https://www.politico.eu/article/emmanuel-macron-strives-balancing-divided-muslim-jewish-french-communities-war-israel-gaza/ https://www.politico.eu/article/emmanuel-macron-strives-bala... A balance between supporting Israel yet without losing support of the French.
  - lores 2y ago
    Indeed. And more context and Israel's reaction to it: https://archive.is/F3iOl https://archive.is/F3iOl

thefz 2y ago

> Free speech is defined as speech free of threats to the establishment. Well, if free speech for you is pornography with infants...

ramblerman 2y ago
Freedom to speak without being overheard. Should all hard drives be monitored by the government because of what they could contain. Also accusing someone of supporting CP in any way for supporting free speech is just a terrible, and really shitty way to try and win your argument.
nashashmi 2y ago
That’s a loosely enforced moral code. Not a reason for a high profile arrest like this.
nashashmi 2y ago
> Complicity in the administration of an online platform to enable illicit transactions by an organised gang Refusal to communicate with authorities Sounds a lot more like that Telegram is expected to assist law enforcement with investigations into crimes. Inclusion of Csam is to extract public support.