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So much hate here in these comments and threads. I know for myself, sometimes it's good to even have an idea of small/medium/large sized projects / ideas to run

So much hate here in these comments and threads. I know for myself, sometimes it's good to even have an idea of small/medium/large sized projects / ideas to run with to consider as an "experience" in doing a new skill I've never worked in before. It looks like these are an attempt to create units of work that are approachable and individually researchable to complete. I think it's pretty great!

4ndrewl 2y ago
The great thing about open source is that it enables all the people with the time to post negative comments here to address the shortcomings that their keen eyes have spotted...right?
- yen223 2y ago
  But then I would be missing out on the dopamine hit from dunking on someone else's project
- AlchemistCamp 2y ago
  It also enables people with time to work on other, higher quality projects. Of all of the countless projects work on, why would you chose one so misleadingly labeled? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41383114 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41383114
  - johnnyanmac 2y ago
    we're literally bikeshedding at this point. Labels are trivial to change. Not worth dumping an entire project over. What "higher quality" project deserved to be worked on more than this in your mind.
    - AlchemistCamp 2y ago
      I'm sorry it just doesn't work like that. There are a near infinite number of projects and other pursuits people can devote their time to. It's not reasonable to try to bully anyone who complains about anything promoted on a news or social aggregator to put their free time into working on it. One project I contributed to in the past was Anki. Since I was using it a lot and getting a lot of value out of it, I felt motivated to contribute some translations for its UI so that the students at my school could use it.
      - johnnyanmac 2y ago
        I agree. So why did you bring it up and indirectly suggest their project is a waste of time over a name? I didn't see anyone say "don't like it, contribute". I also didn't like that line of thinking for the undertone that working on an educational guide is a waste. A sadly growing sentiment as more people shift to a "hustle culture" and forget the joys of solving problems in lieu of making products. Once more, criticism is fine but not all criticism is equal. The name "bike shedding" came about for a reason
        AlchemistCamp 2y ago
        Why? Because a misleading name is a serious shortcoming, especially for an educational guide. If you contribute to a "Java guide" that's actually about JavaScript, you're probably wasting your time.
        johnnyanmac 2y ago
        Misleading implies malice or incompetence. The name wasn't fully clear, that's all. Ops intent is clear but maybe not clear enough for those expecting some completely learning path. This wouldn't even be a 1 story point task to fix (after days/weeks of bikeshedding). seems to be a silly thing to abandon an entire project over a name.
throw10920 2y ago
> So much hate here in these comments and threads. This is a shallow dismissal of the legitimate criticisms that others have of this project. This is Hacker News. The culture and goal is to satisfy intellectual curiosity and have interesting conversations. The point is NOT to emotionally dogpile (either positively or negatively) on things. That's boring, not enlightening, not intellectual gratifying, not curiosity-satisfying. If you have a legitimate praise or criticism, then you can air it, as long as it's interesting.
- bigstrat2003 2y ago
  No, I think he has a point. There's more than one person saying stuff like "these are awful", which is unnecessarily harsh. Sycophancy isn't good, but neither is just ripping on someone's work. You can give constructive criticism and still be nice about it.
  - 0xEF 2y ago
    100%, and the author is self-aware enough to even offer an opportunity to "fix bugs," meaning if the community put their money where their mouth is, we can probably help the author upgrade these pretty easily. I'm jotting notes on the various "trees" I can contribute to myself, and plan on sending those later today. Hope others join me.
- johnnyanmac 2y ago
  > The point is NOT to emotionally dogpile (either positively or negatively) on things. which is what he GP is criticizinh. What interesting conversation do we get out of "These skill trees are so awful....Also they aren't trees." or "Almost as if this whole thing was the output of an LLM" do we get here?
risenshinetech 2y ago
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4ndrewl 2y ago

The great thing about open source is that it enables all the people with the time to post negative comments here to address the shortcomings that their keen eyes have spotted...right?

yen223 2y ago
But then I would be missing out on the dopamine hit from dunking on someone else's project
AlchemistCamp 2y ago
It also enables people with time to work on other, higher quality projects. Of all of the countless projects work on, why would you chose one so misleadingly labeled? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41383114 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41383114
- johnnyanmac 2y ago
  we're literally bikeshedding at this point. Labels are trivial to change. Not worth dumping an entire project over. What "higher quality" project deserved to be worked on more than this in your mind.
  - AlchemistCamp 2y ago
    I'm sorry it just doesn't work like that. There are a near infinite number of projects and other pursuits people can devote their time to. It's not reasonable to try to bully anyone who complains about anything promoted on a news or social aggregator to put their free time into working on it. One project I contributed to in the past was Anki. Since I was using it a lot and getting a lot of value out of it, I felt motivated to contribute some translations for its UI so that the students at my school could use it.
    - johnnyanmac 2y ago
      I agree. So why did you bring it up and indirectly suggest their project is a waste of time over a name? I didn't see anyone say "don't like it, contribute". I also didn't like that line of thinking for the undertone that working on an educational guide is a waste. A sadly growing sentiment as more people shift to a "hustle culture" and forget the joys of solving problems in lieu of making products. Once more, criticism is fine but not all criticism is equal. The name "bike shedding" came about for a reason
      - AlchemistCamp 2y ago
        Why? Because a misleading name is a serious shortcoming, especially for an educational guide. If you contribute to a "Java guide" that's actually about JavaScript, you're probably wasting your time.
        johnnyanmac 2y ago
        Misleading implies malice or incompetence. The name wasn't fully clear, that's all. Ops intent is clear but maybe not clear enough for those expecting some completely learning path. This wouldn't even be a 1 story point task to fix (after days/weeks of bikeshedding). seems to be a silly thing to abandon an entire project over a name.

throw10920 2y ago

> So much hate here in these comments and threads. This is a shallow dismissal of the legitimate criticisms that others have of this project. This is Hacker News. The culture and goal is to satisfy intellectual curiosity and have interesting conversations. The point is NOT to emotionally dogpile (either positively or negatively) on things. That's boring, not enlightening, not intellectual gratifying, not curiosity-satisfying. If you have a legitimate praise or criticism, then you can air it, as long as it's interesting.

bigstrat2003 2y ago
No, I think he has a point. There's more than one person saying stuff like "these are awful", which is unnecessarily harsh. Sycophancy isn't good, but neither is just ripping on someone's work. You can give constructive criticism and still be nice about it.
- 0xEF 2y ago
  100%, and the author is self-aware enough to even offer an opportunity to "fix bugs," meaning if the community put their money where their mouth is, we can probably help the author upgrade these pretty easily. I'm jotting notes on the various "trees" I can contribute to myself, and plan on sending those later today. Hope others join me.
johnnyanmac 2y ago
> The point is NOT to emotionally dogpile (either positively or negatively) on things. which is what he GP is criticizinh. What interesting conversation do we get out of "These skill trees are so awful....Also they aren't trees." or "Almost as if this whole thing was the output of an LLM" do we get here?

risenshinetech 2y ago

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