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Meanwhile Waymo just yesterday went the wrong way on the street. https://abc7.com/post/wrong-waymo-driverless-car-goes-oncoming-traffic-tempe-arizona/15238556/

Meanwhile Waymo just yesterday went the wrong way on the street. https://abc7.com/post/wrong-waymo-driverless-car-goes-oncoming-traffic-tempe-arizona/15238556/ https://abc7.com/post/wrong-waymo-driverless-car-goes-oncomi... Waymo hits stationary pole. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAZP-RNSr0s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAZP-RNSr0s If Waymo is as good as you claim, then why don't they release data on the number of manual interventions> It's just the Waymo's missteps are unlikely to show up on HN unlike Tesla's. FSD can navigate crowds too.

JumpCrisscross 2y ago
> Waymo goes the wrong way on the street I'm familiar with that intersection in Tempe. There is a bar for beating the average human driver on it, and going to wrong way is sadly not above it. I'm also not aware of any fatalities resulting from a Waymo accident. (Waymo also doesn't seem to be deluded about its system's safety. That's why they have human drivers on standby, remote and in person.)
- xnx 2y ago
  I would not be surprised if the Waymo was left "stranded" in the intersection due to red light runners.
- ripjaygn 2y ago
  If Waymo is as good as you claim why don't they release data on the number of manual interventions? They didn't even release the video when a Waymo hit a bike while turning left at an intersection a few months ago.
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  - Animats 2y ago
    They do. They report "disconnects" to California's DMV.[1] Collisions are reported in detail. Tesla doesn't report to CA DMV because they are only a "driver assistance system". [1] https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/vehicle-industry-services/autonomous-vehicles/autonomous-vehicle-deployment-program/ https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/vehicle-industry-services/auto...
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- Animats 2y ago
  From the video, it's hard to see what happened there. It's in the middle of an intersection. It kind of looks like the Waymo vehicle was attempting a left turn but something prevented it from finishing it.
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tapoxi 2y ago
There are far more Teslas that have purchased FSD than Waymos, and the Waymos are trained on those specific streets. Maybe Tesla should treat FSD like Waymo, only available in certain cities to a few hundred drivers? As a pedestrian that would make me feel a little better about it.
Veserv 2y ago
They do release data on interventions in CA during autonomous testing with safety drivers [1][2][3] (distinct from driverless testing). As a ADS system under test, they are legally required to unlike Tesla who characterizes their system as a ADAS and thus absolves them of any responsibility for robust data collection or reporting. Their numbers indicate ~17,000 miles between any safety driver disengagement. Tesla does not release comparable data, but the highly pro-Tesla biased community-reported numbers[4] average ~42 miles between disengagements. [1] https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/vehicle-industry-services/autonomous-vehicles/disengagement-reports/ https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/vehicle-industry-services/auto... [2] https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/vehicle-industry-services/autonomous-vehicles/testing-autonomous-vehicles-with-a-driver/ https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/vehicle-industry-services/auto... [3] https://thelastdriverlicenseholder.com/2024/02/03/2023-disengagement-reports-from-california/ https://thelastdriverlicenseholder.com/2024/02/03/2023-disen... [4] https://teslafsdtracker.com/ https://teslafsdtracker.com/

JumpCrisscross 2y ago

> Waymo goes the wrong way on the street I'm familiar with that intersection in Tempe. There is a bar for beating the average human driver on it, and going to wrong way is sadly not above it. I'm also not aware of any fatalities resulting from a Waymo accident. (Waymo also doesn't seem to be deluded about its system's safety. That's why they have human drivers on standby, remote and in person.)

xnx 2y ago
I would not be surprised if the Waymo was left "stranded" in the intersection due to red light runners.
ripjaygn 2y ago
If Waymo is as good as you claim why don't they release data on the number of manual interventions? They didn't even release the video when a Waymo hit a bike while turning left at an intersection a few months ago.
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- Animats 2y ago
  They do. They report "disconnects" to California's DMV.[1] Collisions are reported in detail. Tesla doesn't report to CA DMV because they are only a "driver assistance system". [1] https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/vehicle-industry-services/autonomous-vehicles/autonomous-vehicle-deployment-program/ https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/vehicle-industry-services/auto...
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Animats 2y ago
From the video, it's hard to see what happened there. It's in the middle of an intersection. It kind of looks like the Waymo vehicle was attempting a left turn but something prevented it from finishing it.
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tapoxi 2y ago

There are far more Teslas that have purchased FSD than Waymos, and the Waymos are trained on those specific streets. Maybe Tesla should treat FSD like Waymo, only available in certain cities to a few hundred drivers? As a pedestrian that would make me feel a little better about it.

Veserv 2y ago

They do release data on interventions in CA during autonomous testing with safety drivers [1][2][3] (distinct from driverless testing). As a ADS system under test, they are legally required to unlike Tesla who characterizes their system as a ADAS and thus absolves them of any responsibility for robust data collection or reporting. Their numbers indicate ~17,000 miles between any safety driver disengagement. Tesla does not release comparable data, but the highly pro-Tesla biased community-reported numbers[4] average ~42 miles between disengagements. [1] https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/vehicle-industry-services/autonomous-vehicles/disengagement-reports/ https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/vehicle-industry-services/auto... [2] https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/vehicle-industry-services/autonomous-vehicles/testing-autonomous-vehicles-with-a-driver/ https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/vehicle-industry-services/auto... [3] https://thelastdriverlicenseholder.com/2024/02/03/2023-disengagement-reports-from-california/ https://thelastdriverlicenseholder.com/2024/02/03/2023-disen... [4] https://teslafsdtracker.com/ https://teslafsdtracker.com/