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His brother Nikolai who is a co-founder of Telegram and who is said to have developed the encryption protocol in Telegram lives in Russia according to some sour

His brother Nikolai who is a co-founder of Telegram and who is said to have developed the encryption protocol in Telegram lives in Russia according to some sources. His LinkedIn page indicates California as residence, however. BTW, Nikolai's wiki page states he won three gold medals at an International Mathematics Olympiad and once a gold International Olympiad in Informatics as well as a gold medal in the ACM International Collegiate Programming Contest. I'd say he is well qualified to design crypto algos if he put his mind to it.

Krasnol 2y ago
Why wouldn't he make it truly secure by hardening the most used features? They don't even seem to work on it. There is this optional encryption, but nobody seems to care about it. Simultaneously, they present themselves as safe and secure. He might be a genius. He might also be an evil genius.
- diggan 2y ago
  > Why wouldn't he make it truly secure by hardening the most used features? E2E encryption comes with tradeoffs, it's not something you tack on to a protocol and not having to change a bunch of other stuff. I think one of the main selling point of Telegram is the public channels/huge groups where you can openly communicate with people, and tacking E2E encryption into those would probably involve a ton of work, not really sure how it would work (or what benefit it would bring)
  - Krasnol 2y ago
    > I think one of the main selling point of Telegram is the public channels/huge groups where you can openly communicate with people, There is nothing wrong with that. But why pretend to be secure and use that as a marketing claim?
- golergka 2y ago
  Because most people want to have shared history, including in groups, including before they were added. And they also want to be able to recover a lost password, and not loose all their data if they forget it. And they want these things much more than protection from intelligence agencies. And may be I'm not a great at crypto, but I can't figure out a way of having all these features and still have end-to-end encryption.
  - Krasnol 2y ago
    So why market it as secure in the first place? If people don't care, you wouldn't have to also. I don't think people don't care. From all those discussions in the recent days, you can see a wide range of different people who actually think it is secure.

Krasnol 2y ago

Why wouldn't he make it truly secure by hardening the most used features? They don't even seem to work on it. There is this optional encryption, but nobody seems to care about it. Simultaneously, they present themselves as safe and secure. He might be a genius. He might also be an evil genius.

diggan 2y ago
> Why wouldn't he make it truly secure by hardening the most used features? E2E encryption comes with tradeoffs, it's not something you tack on to a protocol and not having to change a bunch of other stuff. I think one of the main selling point of Telegram is the public channels/huge groups where you can openly communicate with people, and tacking E2E encryption into those would probably involve a ton of work, not really sure how it would work (or what benefit it would bring)
- Krasnol 2y ago
  > I think one of the main selling point of Telegram is the public channels/huge groups where you can openly communicate with people, There is nothing wrong with that. But why pretend to be secure and use that as a marketing claim?
golergka 2y ago
Because most people want to have shared history, including in groups, including before they were added. And they also want to be able to recover a lost password, and not loose all their data if they forget it. And they want these things much more than protection from intelligence agencies. And may be I'm not a great at crypto, but I can't figure out a way of having all these features and still have end-to-end encryption.
- Krasnol 2y ago
  So why market it as secure in the first place? If people don't care, you wouldn't have to also. I don't think people don't care. From all those discussions in the recent days, you can see a wide range of different people who actually think it is secure.