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Not if there is a risk that you will run away. That jail time shortens a potential prison sentence.

by throwaway48540 2y ago

croes 2y ago
The best thing that could happen to France would be for him to run away. They want Telegram not him.
- ath3nd 2y ago
  > They want Telegram not him. They actually want him to comply with the French law (a country which he is a citizen of) and timely remove the illegal content that he's been made aware of. If all Telegram chats were e2e encrypted, he'd have much more plausible deniability. But they aren't, so he is required by law (as a French citizen) to remove the offending content. The best thing he can do is stay, serve his sentence/pay his fine, and improve Telegram to have e2e encryption by default (or better yet, mandatory), and focus on e2e encryption for group chats. His resistance to do that over the years, along with his insistence that somehow Telegram is super secure make me wonder if he's not already been compromised.
  - codedokode 2y ago
    > They actually want him to comply with the French law (a country which he is a citizen of) and timely remove the illegal content that he's been made aware of. Do you have a confirmation for that or this is just your guess? Maybe they want access to all Telegram messages.
    - ath3nd 2y ago
      > Do you have a confirmation for that or this is just your guess The allegations are public, and that's what the allegations state. I can't and don't want to speculate on the "true" motives of the French authorities. Al Capone was also initially held only on taxes charges. > The investigation concerns crimes related to illicit transactions, child sexual abuse, fraud and the refusal to communicate information to authorities. The arrest warrant was issued by OFMIN, a French child protection agency, the group’s secretary general said in a post on LinkedIn. https://www.tf1info.fr/justice-faits-divers/info-tf1-lci-le-fondateur-et-pdg-de-la-messagerie-cryptee-telegram-interpelle-en-france-2316072.html https://www.tf1info.fr/justice-faits-divers/info-tf1-lci-le-... And some investigative journalism on the type of illegal activities going on in Telegram. https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1828526705306411410.html https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1828526705306411410.html I am all for privacy of communication, but due to Telegram's insistence of not encrypting everything, this is easy to see/verify by authorities, and issue a takedown notice. > Maybe they want access to all Telegram messages. And maybe not. Do you have proof that they want that, or we are going to be speculating here? Cause, as I said, the arrest warrant is public and the allegations are public. I'd prefer not to speculate and focus on the facts. P.S If we are going to speculate here, my feeling is that the French authorities found that Telegram is a Russian held backdoor/honeypot or want to disrupt Russian war communications. They need some time to with Durov in custody, so they arrest him on charges they can arrest him on: failing to remove illegal content all the while letting Meta, X, and Rumble and others get away with the same.
  - TremendousJudge 2y ago
    > The best thing he can do is stay, serve his sentence/pay his fine, and improve Telegram to have e2e encryption by default (or better yet, mandatory) That would compromise the feature of open-to-everybody groups right? Right now I can download telegram on my phone, do a quick search and view an open group where local drug dealers post their wares (with pictures), weapons are being sold illegaly, etc. I always thought this was the "illegal content" they were referring to

Not if there is a risk that you will run away. That jail time shortens a potential prison sentence.

croes 2y ago

The best thing that could happen to France would be for him to run away. They want Telegram not him.

ath3nd 2y ago
> They want Telegram not him. They actually want him to comply with the French law (a country which he is a citizen of) and timely remove the illegal content that he's been made aware of. If all Telegram chats were e2e encrypted, he'd have much more plausible deniability. But they aren't, so he is required by law (as a French citizen) to remove the offending content. The best thing he can do is stay, serve his sentence/pay his fine, and improve Telegram to have e2e encryption by default (or better yet, mandatory), and focus on e2e encryption for group chats. His resistance to do that over the years, along with his insistence that somehow Telegram is super secure make me wonder if he's not already been compromised.
- codedokode 2y ago
  > They actually want him to comply with the French law (a country which he is a citizen of) and timely remove the illegal content that he's been made aware of. Do you have a confirmation for that or this is just your guess? Maybe they want access to all Telegram messages.
  - ath3nd 2y ago
    > Do you have a confirmation for that or this is just your guess The allegations are public, and that's what the allegations state. I can't and don't want to speculate on the "true" motives of the French authorities. Al Capone was also initially held only on taxes charges. > The investigation concerns crimes related to illicit transactions, child sexual abuse, fraud and the refusal to communicate information to authorities. The arrest warrant was issued by OFMIN, a French child protection agency, the group’s secretary general said in a post on LinkedIn. https://www.tf1info.fr/justice-faits-divers/info-tf1-lci-le-fondateur-et-pdg-de-la-messagerie-cryptee-telegram-interpelle-en-france-2316072.html https://www.tf1info.fr/justice-faits-divers/info-tf1-lci-le-... And some investigative journalism on the type of illegal activities going on in Telegram. https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1828526705306411410.html https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1828526705306411410.html I am all for privacy of communication, but due to Telegram's insistence of not encrypting everything, this is easy to see/verify by authorities, and issue a takedown notice. > Maybe they want access to all Telegram messages. And maybe not. Do you have proof that they want that, or we are going to be speculating here? Cause, as I said, the arrest warrant is public and the allegations are public. I'd prefer not to speculate and focus on the facts. P.S If we are going to speculate here, my feeling is that the French authorities found that Telegram is a Russian held backdoor/honeypot or want to disrupt Russian war communications. They need some time to with Durov in custody, so they arrest him on charges they can arrest him on: failing to remove illegal content all the while letting Meta, X, and Rumble and others get away with the same.
- TremendousJudge 2y ago
  > The best thing he can do is stay, serve his sentence/pay his fine, and improve Telegram to have e2e encryption by default (or better yet, mandatory) That would compromise the feature of open-to-everybody groups right? Right now I can download telegram on my phone, do a quick search and view an open group where local drug dealers post their wares (with pictures), weapons are being sold illegaly, etc. I always thought this was the "illegal content" they were referring to