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> and would prevent spreading. It was _never_ claimed that it would "prevent" the spread of the disease or that it would even prevent _you_ from catching it.

> and would prevent spreading. It was _never_ claimed that it would "prevent" the spread of the disease or that it would even prevent _you_ from catching it. If you thought that, you weren't reading anything. It was always claimed that it lowered the likelihood of catching it and _most importantly_ reduced the severity of the disease if you did catch it. If anything, what you should mistrust is your own ability to read and comprehend.

jeffhuys 2y ago
I wasn't talking about what I read, I was talking about what they said on TV. I'm going to find the original clips soon (at work at the moment), but I clearly remember Hugo de Jonge telling us all, on national television, that we would be protected by the vaccine, and would stop the spreading of it. I'm not the only one that heard it. I'm SPECIFICALLY talking about the Dutch news coverage here - I have no experience with others. So this: > It was _never_ claimed that it would "prevent" the spread of the disease or that it would even prevent _you_ from catching it. Is just not true; they told our entire country on television.
Clubber 2y ago
>It was _never_ claimed that it would "prevent" the spread of the disease or that it would even prevent _you_ from catching it. This is an easily disprovable statement. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKf8dVxOy0s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKf8dVxOy0s https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1139513946631676 https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1139513946631676 https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2021/05/16/sotu-walensky-full.cnn https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2021/05/16/sotu-walensky... There's plenty more, just google "covid vaccine prevents spread"
- jeffhuys 2y ago
  Ah, I see that it wasn't just the Netherlands, then; even the CDC director.
  - Clubber 2y ago
    Do you think these politicians and administrators knew they were lying when they said that?
    - stevenAthompson 2y ago
      They weren't lying, they just weren't being pedantic. It does limit the spread, it just doesn't prevent it "completely". Only someone looking for a reason to be upset would interpret what they said literally.
      - jeffhuys 2y ago
        I’m sorry, but a press conference televised to everyone in a country that disrupts the default programming, every week, when most people were watching, by a government official about a novel virus that’s spreading around the world and the medication for it… and I shouldn’t take it literally? What moment in the world would be a better moment to be as clear and pedantic as possible, with as little reason to doubt as possible? And when is it better to keep the talking point open to even the most “dumb” questions, even if it’s over and over again? To be clear again, I’m Dutch and was watching the Dutch news. Whichever of the many sides you believe, they dropped the ball there. They should’ve been informed and should’ve informed us correctly. They didn’t.
        stevenAthompson 2y ago
        You're right. They should have spoken more directly, and with greater attention to the words literal meanings. The issue was too important to be imprecise with the language. Still, in English when someone says "seatbelts prevent automobile accident related deaths" it doesn't mean that ALL automobiles will magically cease to crash once you've buckled up, nor does it mean that your odds of death fall to zero. It only means that SOME deaths will be prevented.
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- empath75 2y ago
  Very clever of you to post videos so that people won't actually check what they said.
eli_gottlieb 2y ago
The scientists never claimed that, but a lot of government officials and politicians did.
- AnimalMuppet 2y ago
  And, the government officials and politicians got a lot more press with their dogmatic-but-false claims than the scientists did with their hedged-but-more-true ones.

jeffhuys 2y ago

I wasn't talking about what I read, I was talking about what they said on TV. I'm going to find the original clips soon (at work at the moment), but I clearly remember Hugo de Jonge telling us all, on national television, that we would be protected by the vaccine, and would stop the spreading of it. I'm not the only one that heard it. I'm SPECIFICALLY talking about the Dutch news coverage here - I have no experience with others. So this: > It was _never_ claimed that it would "prevent" the spread of the disease or that it would even prevent _you_ from catching it. Is just not true; they told our entire country on television.

Clubber 2y ago

>It was _never_ claimed that it would "prevent" the spread of the disease or that it would even prevent _you_ from catching it. This is an easily disprovable statement. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKf8dVxOy0s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKf8dVxOy0s https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1139513946631676 https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1139513946631676 https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2021/05/16/sotu-walensky-full.cnn https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2021/05/16/sotu-walensky... There's plenty more, just google "covid vaccine prevents spread"

jeffhuys 2y ago
Ah, I see that it wasn't just the Netherlands, then; even the CDC director.
- Clubber 2y ago
  Do you think these politicians and administrators knew they were lying when they said that?
  - stevenAthompson 2y ago
    They weren't lying, they just weren't being pedantic. It does limit the spread, it just doesn't prevent it "completely". Only someone looking for a reason to be upset would interpret what they said literally.
    - jeffhuys 2y ago
      I’m sorry, but a press conference televised to everyone in a country that disrupts the default programming, every week, when most people were watching, by a government official about a novel virus that’s spreading around the world and the medication for it… and I shouldn’t take it literally? What moment in the world would be a better moment to be as clear and pedantic as possible, with as little reason to doubt as possible? And when is it better to keep the talking point open to even the most “dumb” questions, even if it’s over and over again? To be clear again, I’m Dutch and was watching the Dutch news. Whichever of the many sides you believe, they dropped the ball there. They should’ve been informed and should’ve informed us correctly. They didn’t.
      - stevenAthompson 2y ago
        You're right. They should have spoken more directly, and with greater attention to the words literal meanings. The issue was too important to be imprecise with the language. Still, in English when someone says "seatbelts prevent automobile accident related deaths" it doesn't mean that ALL automobiles will magically cease to crash once you've buckled up, nor does it mean that your odds of death fall to zero. It only means that SOME deaths will be prevented.
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empath75 2y ago
Very clever of you to post videos so that people won't actually check what they said.

eli_gottlieb 2y ago

The scientists never claimed that, but a lot of government officials and politicians did.

AnimalMuppet 2y ago
And, the government officials and politicians got a lot more press with their dogmatic-but-false claims than the scientists did with their hedged-but-more-true ones.