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Xue the Xfce mouse LAUGHS at the notion of a duopoly!

tmtvl 2y ago
As does the unnamed LXDE bird, and whatever mascots Cinnamon, MATE, Deepin, Pantheon, Budgie, and Enlightenment have. EDIT: Almost forgot about Unity, which has arisen from the ashes.
- alskdj21 2y ago
  I still miss Unity's HUD. Imo, Unity was perfect. It has a good balance of beauty and efficiency out of the box.
  - tmtvl 2y ago
    Have you tried the new Ubuntu Unity? It's not the same as it was back in 2013 (when I last used Unity), but it's still nice in various ways.
  - schmorptron 2y ago
    Unity's (at least when I started using it with 14.04) UX, screen space usage and performance was so good. Global or locally integrated menu bar and making it searchable were great decisions. I'd much rather canonical had been successful with desktop & mobile consumer OS and upstart rather than with snappy
- WD-42 2y ago
  Still a part of the Qt/GTK duopoly
  - rc00 2y ago
    This duopoly isn't going to be broken up because of Rust. Linus recently said that developers aren't taking to it for the kernel.[1] There are serious issues with Rust that bar any real adoption from the overall complexity (async, procedural macros, unsafe ergonomics) to the problematic toolchain (too many dependencies and slow compile times). 1. https://www.zdnet.com/article/linus-torvalds-talks-ai-rust-adoption-and-why-the-linux-kernel-is-the-only-thing-that-matters/ https://www.zdnet.com/article/linus-torvalds-talks-ai-rust-a...
    - panick21_ 2y ago
      Linus the guy who was against debugger and source control. He is dealing with long time C users working on a C project that just recently has allowed Rust, many work for companies that dont use Rust. Meanwhile Oxide is building a whole datacenter infrastructure in rust including firelmware, network kernel models and store subsystems, hyperwiser userlabnds in or on Illumos. And say almost universially possitive things. The people who make cosmic also sell laptops with Rust written firmware. Some of them also develop Redox OS, a Rust OS. They in general love it. But I guess because mass adoption in Linux hasnt happen it will be impossible to create a new popular UI toolkit. Gtfo.
  - tmtvl 2y ago
    To quote grand*4 parent: > Gnome / Plasma duopoly LXQt uses Qt but it's not KDE, Cinnamon, MATE,... use Gtk, but they're not GNOME. And Enlightenment uses EFL, so it isn't part of any Qt/Gtk duopoly.
- a1o 2y ago
  Unity 8 is also still back in development https://gitlab.com/ubports/development/core/lomiri https://gitlab.com/ubports/development/core/lomiri
  - tmtvl 2y ago
    My current phone is a Volla 22 with Ubuntu Touch, it's pretty good (although the battery doesn't last me a day, sadly). To be honest, though, I kinda miss the scopes of the OG Ubuntu Touch.

As does the unnamed LXDE bird, and whatever mascots Cinnamon, MATE, Deepin, Pantheon, Budgie, and Enlightenment have. EDIT: Almost forgot about Unity, which has arisen from the ashes.

alskdj21 2y ago
I still miss Unity's HUD. Imo, Unity was perfect. It has a good balance of beauty and efficiency out of the box.
- tmtvl 2y ago
  Have you tried the new Ubuntu Unity? It's not the same as it was back in 2013 (when I last used Unity), but it's still nice in various ways.
- schmorptron 2y ago
  Unity's (at least when I started using it with 14.04) UX, screen space usage and performance was so good. Global or locally integrated menu bar and making it searchable were great decisions. I'd much rather canonical had been successful with desktop & mobile consumer OS and upstart rather than with snappy
WD-42 2y ago
Still a part of the Qt/GTK duopoly
- rc00 2y ago
  This duopoly isn't going to be broken up because of Rust. Linus recently said that developers aren't taking to it for the kernel.[1] There are serious issues with Rust that bar any real adoption from the overall complexity (async, procedural macros, unsafe ergonomics) to the problematic toolchain (too many dependencies and slow compile times). 1. https://www.zdnet.com/article/linus-torvalds-talks-ai-rust-adoption-and-why-the-linux-kernel-is-the-only-thing-that-matters/ https://www.zdnet.com/article/linus-torvalds-talks-ai-rust-a...
  - panick21_ 2y ago
    Linus the guy who was against debugger and source control. He is dealing with long time C users working on a C project that just recently has allowed Rust, many work for companies that dont use Rust. Meanwhile Oxide is building a whole datacenter infrastructure in rust including firelmware, network kernel models and store subsystems, hyperwiser userlabnds in or on Illumos. And say almost universially possitive things. The people who make cosmic also sell laptops with Rust written firmware. Some of them also develop Redox OS, a Rust OS. They in general love it. But I guess because mass adoption in Linux hasnt happen it will be impossible to create a new popular UI toolkit. Gtfo.
- tmtvl 2y ago
  To quote grand*4 parent: > Gnome / Plasma duopoly LXQt uses Qt but it's not KDE, Cinnamon, MATE,... use Gtk, but they're not GNOME. And Enlightenment uses EFL, so it isn't part of any Qt/Gtk duopoly.
a1o 2y ago
Unity 8 is also still back in development https://gitlab.com/ubports/development/core/lomiri https://gitlab.com/ubports/development/core/lomiri
- tmtvl 2y ago
  My current phone is a Volla 22 with Ubuntu Touch, it's pretty good (although the battery doesn't last me a day, sadly). To be honest, though, I kinda miss the scopes of the OG Ubuntu Touch.