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What happened to that other research team who used amateur radio network packet metadata that had been saved, to track airplanes including MH370 and showed trac

What happened to that other research team who used amateur radio network packet metadata that had been saved, to track airplanes including MH370 and showed tracks that also matched the satellite pings? Can't remember the name of that group though...

netsharc 2y ago
Wasn't the conlusion they were finding data that match their conclusion, i.e. they said "it could be here in the ocean" and then they found signals to confirm their guess, but it could be any point in the ocean and they'd be able to find such signals. In any case I googled the keywords, it's called WSPR, and also found a critique: https://www.rtl-sdr.com/nils-critiques-the-mh370-wspr-aircraft-scatter-theory/ https://www.rtl-sdr.com/nils-critiques-the-mh370-wspr-aircra... And the full critique has suffered from linkrot, but Wayback Machine has it: https://web.archive.org/web/20220221112332/https://dk8ok.org/2021/12/06/mh370-and-wspr-aircraft-scatter-on-hf-a-critical-review/ https://web.archive.org/web/20220221112332/https://dk8ok.org... (Sad how a URL that was live in 2021 is already dead in 2024...)
- mannykannot 2y ago
  IIRC, there was one test case where the airplane being followed diverted, yet it was 'tracked' to its intended destination.
GJim 2y ago
If they could track MH370 using WSPR (amateur radio), then they could logically track other (similar) aircraft. When asked to prove the above and publish a peer reviewed paper, they were unable to do so. The reader is thus invited to draw their own conclusion.
- beachy 2y ago
  Publishing a peer reviewed paper would equate to handing their IP over for free. Maybe the right thing to do in the face of such a tragedy is to do that. Or perhaps they genuinely have some cool technology, and it could be sold into aero, military industries and they want to monetize it. In that case the right thing to do would be to hand over their projected track data, which it sounds like they did.
  - Brian_K_White 2y ago
    They could prove they can replicate the results without disclosing how.
  - GJim 2y ago
    > perhaps they genuinely have some cool technology.... want to monetize it. They haven't published a patent either. Again, the reader is invited to draw their own conclusion.
- someguydave 2y ago
  Yeah I am personally skeptical that WSPR data could reliably track anything

netsharc 2y ago

Wasn't the conlusion they were finding data that match their conclusion, i.e. they said "it could be here in the ocean" and then they found signals to confirm their guess, but it could be any point in the ocean and they'd be able to find such signals. In any case I googled the keywords, it's called WSPR, and also found a critique: https://www.rtl-sdr.com/nils-critiques-the-mh370-wspr-aircraft-scatter-theory/ https://www.rtl-sdr.com/nils-critiques-the-mh370-wspr-aircra... And the full critique has suffered from linkrot, but Wayback Machine has it: https://web.archive.org/web/20220221112332/https://dk8ok.org/2021/12/06/mh370-and-wspr-aircraft-scatter-on-hf-a-critical-review/ https://web.archive.org/web/20220221112332/https://dk8ok.org... (Sad how a URL that was live in 2021 is already dead in 2024...)

mannykannot 2y ago
IIRC, there was one test case where the airplane being followed diverted, yet it was 'tracked' to its intended destination.

GJim 2y ago

If they could track MH370 using WSPR (amateur radio), then they could logically track other (similar) aircraft. When asked to prove the above and publish a peer reviewed paper, they were unable to do so. The reader is thus invited to draw their own conclusion.

beachy 2y ago
Publishing a peer reviewed paper would equate to handing their IP over for free. Maybe the right thing to do in the face of such a tragedy is to do that. Or perhaps they genuinely have some cool technology, and it could be sold into aero, military industries and they want to monetize it. In that case the right thing to do would be to hand over their projected track data, which it sounds like they did.
- Brian_K_White 2y ago
  They could prove they can replicate the results without disclosing how.
- GJim 2y ago
  > perhaps they genuinely have some cool technology.... want to monetize it. They haven't published a patent either. Again, the reader is invited to draw their own conclusion.
someguydave 2y ago
Yeah I am personally skeptical that WSPR data could reliably track anything