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So where to go with such questions? I have one that I am not sure if it is a bug, a user issue or an android issue or a phone/hardware issue.

vintagedave 2y ago
Exactly! I don't know where to go either. Once upon a time, SO was the place, but they stopped that with site policy changes around 2012 or so. A lot more became off-topic, and I found that the value I got from it declined right from that time. The view count sharply dropping off around 2013 mirrors (to me) the increasingly more narrowly defined scope of the site's acceptable content than what it was when it started.
- CannisterFlux 2y ago
  I went back and checked my SO account history. I stopped posting answers regularly at the end of 2011. I can't remember now what drama caused me to stop, but in 2011 I was posting 2-3 answers per day, then in 2012 I didn't post anything until mid-year, then about a post or two per year, and my last post was over 6 years ago. Digging through my local notes and journals as to why I stopped, I have an unpublished draft blog post from 2012 that has some examples of bad questions from 2012, and I later added https://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/252506 https://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/252506 to it as something that resonated with me - "Why did I even help this guy? I have just been wasting my time". I must have been burned out on the whole thing by that point, but it was 10+ years ago and I've not even visited SO in years. I do remember they added a tier of moderation around this time, and I had sufficient points to have access to that. Every time I visited the site it showed a red dot on the stuff-to-do icon, encouraging me to review a queue of bad questions. I'm pretty sure that was when I decided to stop contributing, because the site felt like it was more focused on the tedious bureaucracy of it all than the technical stuff.
  - matsemann 2y ago
    Your story resonates with mine, and is also a complete opposite of what most people claim is the problem. Most people say "SO is full of unfriendly power users", and that's why it's in decline. But to me it's the opposite. The power users are what made SO, and they're tired of the influx of badly written questions, entitled people they're trying to help for free etc., of course people get burned out. But it's the useful users going away.
    - CannisterFlux 2y ago
      Hey, starting to write a reply to you caused me to remember why I quit. It was the moderation tools for sure. One of them changed so that when you reviewed something it would show you at random a sample that had already been reviewed, but this was not indicated in any way. If you got the review "correct" it said "well done, that was to test you are paying attention!" - it was even more patronizing if you got it wrong. I was so annoyed that they had wasted my time in this way that I stopped contributing all together. It was a wake up call that the whole site was taking advantage of our free labor, and I decided to do better things with my time.
nkrisc 2y ago
/r/android then post a wrong answer with another account.
- BlueTemplar 2y ago
  If you participate in using reddit you become part of the problem, please don't.
  - dspillett 2y ago
    You are not wrong particularly, though you don't say which problem you are concerned about with Reddit, and you completely fail to mention any sort of alternative. When someone asks “how do I X” and the only answer is “do Y”, just saying “don't do Y” is not helpful because that amounts to “don't do X” and the original asker might not have/want that option.
dspillett 2y ago
For that you really need a conversation with a relevant person or people, where they can ask clarifying questions and the whole thing is discussed in a more fine-grained manner, which is not what SO was ever intended for. SO is more geared around a direct question→answer workflow, with some secondary support for clarifying questions via the comments areas.

vintagedave 2y ago

Exactly! I don't know where to go either. Once upon a time, SO was the place, but they stopped that with site policy changes around 2012 or so. A lot more became off-topic, and I found that the value I got from it declined right from that time. The view count sharply dropping off around 2013 mirrors (to me) the increasingly more narrowly defined scope of the site's acceptable content than what it was when it started.

CannisterFlux 2y ago
I went back and checked my SO account history. I stopped posting answers regularly at the end of 2011. I can't remember now what drama caused me to stop, but in 2011 I was posting 2-3 answers per day, then in 2012 I didn't post anything until mid-year, then about a post or two per year, and my last post was over 6 years ago. Digging through my local notes and journals as to why I stopped, I have an unpublished draft blog post from 2012 that has some examples of bad questions from 2012, and I later added https://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/252506 https://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/252506 to it as something that resonated with me - "Why did I even help this guy? I have just been wasting my time". I must have been burned out on the whole thing by that point, but it was 10+ years ago and I've not even visited SO in years. I do remember they added a tier of moderation around this time, and I had sufficient points to have access to that. Every time I visited the site it showed a red dot on the stuff-to-do icon, encouraging me to review a queue of bad questions. I'm pretty sure that was when I decided to stop contributing, because the site felt like it was more focused on the tedious bureaucracy of it all than the technical stuff.
- matsemann 2y ago
  Your story resonates with mine, and is also a complete opposite of what most people claim is the problem. Most people say "SO is full of unfriendly power users", and that's why it's in decline. But to me it's the opposite. The power users are what made SO, and they're tired of the influx of badly written questions, entitled people they're trying to help for free etc., of course people get burned out. But it's the useful users going away.
  - CannisterFlux 2y ago
    Hey, starting to write a reply to you caused me to remember why I quit. It was the moderation tools for sure. One of them changed so that when you reviewed something it would show you at random a sample that had already been reviewed, but this was not indicated in any way. If you got the review "correct" it said "well done, that was to test you are paying attention!" - it was even more patronizing if you got it wrong. I was so annoyed that they had wasted my time in this way that I stopped contributing all together. It was a wake up call that the whole site was taking advantage of our free labor, and I decided to do better things with my time.

nkrisc 2y ago

/r/android then post a wrong answer with another account.

BlueTemplar 2y ago
If you participate in using reddit you become part of the problem, please don't.
- dspillett 2y ago
  You are not wrong particularly, though you don't say which problem you are concerned about with Reddit, and you completely fail to mention any sort of alternative. When someone asks “how do I X” and the only answer is “do Y”, just saying “don't do Y” is not helpful because that amounts to “don't do X” and the original asker might not have/want that option.

dspillett 2y ago

For that you really need a conversation with a relevant person or people, where they can ask clarifying questions and the whole thing is discussed in a more fine-grained manner, which is not what SO was ever intended for. SO is more geared around a direct question→answer workflow, with some secondary support for clarifying questions via the comments areas.