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The fundamental problem we have right know is that we know the charges, but not the factual allegations that underlie those charges. Put differently, if you wa
by jcranmer 2y ago
The fundamental problem we have right know is that we know the charges, but not the factual allegations that underlie those charges.
Put differently, if you wanted to put together a charge list for the head of a large social media company you didn't like, this is what it would look like. If you wanted to put together a charge list for someone actively running the group chat of a terrorist group... this is what it would look like. And same for pretty much every level in between.
Deciding which of these scenarios is more likely is more indicative of your priors of the scenarios than it is of the evidence. Is this the French government going after a fairly innocuous service because they don't like what they provide? Or is it the government going after a service saying "neener neener your laws can't touch us"? Or is it the government going after an individual with tenuous connections to criminal organizations? Or one with solid connections to criminal organizations? Truthfully, we don't have the evidence to distinguish between these scenarios yet, and we should reserve judgement until such evidence comes to light.
- mytailorisrich 2y agoThe thing is that French law for criminal procedure says that it is secret. So in principle judges and prosecutors don't have to publicly say anything and in fact should not say anything apart from discussing with Durov and his lawyers. That said, for high profile cases they tend to give some information to control rumors and the media.
- fvdessen 2y agoI just opened telegram, went to ‘find people nearby’ and was immediately presented with a long list of drug dealers and prostitutes advertising their services. I’m pretty sure that’s not legal
- guappa 2y agoNow try to buy from them. They are just scammers who are nowhere near you. They will ask you to send codes from gift cards.
- paxys 2y agoThat's not legal either
- 11101010001100 2y agoguess my e-mail provider is going to jail.
- paxys 2y agoDoes your email provider cooperate with law enforcement when they show up with a warrant and want details about an email/account involved in criminal activity?
- ibaikov 2y agoDid telegram not? They do ban those; the channels and accounts are getting deleted. Some content is available in one country and not available in other countries. Imo we need more data to tell what was happening and how fair these accusations are.
- Yeul 2y agoEvery once in a while I find a slip of paper in my postbox with the contact info of a local drug dealer. The police can't be bothered arresting them and even if they do such a dealer gets replaced in hours anyway. They use WhatsApp. I think it's CP that gets Telegram in hot water. Prostitution or drugs bothers noone but pedophiles trading stuff wakes everyone up.
- codedokode 2y agoIn my country, they just write a website domain on the wall and add "VPN Tor". I wonder, why police doesn't do anything with Tor and VPN.