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The covid vaccine I had to take to as a condition to travel and employment has been banned from the market for safety reasons. I swear the true believers will

The covid vaccine I had to take to as a condition to travel and employment has been banned from the market for safety reasons. I swear the true believers will go their graves before they admit “yea, this was all a bit of an over reaction” I’m happy to let everyone make their own decisions, but it’s a big never-again from me. Miss me with your untested drugs, thanks.

Krssst 2y ago
Good luck with untested viruses.
- DaSHacka 2y ago
  From my anecdotal experience, I think I'll take my chances with COVID, thanks. Never got a cardiovascular condition from COVID, yet did (and it continues to worsen) from the vaccines. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. At a certain point, "oh but statistically more people are worse off from COVID!" doesn't matter much to us as individuals, I think it's okay to act on behalf of my own self-preservation sometimes.
  - shadowgovt 2y ago
    I'm sorry to hear of your ill fortune. If the vaccine has caused you heart damage, that updates the Bayesian priors on whether you would have survived contracting the disease itself. It is entirely possible the vaccine warded off a virus that would have killed your heart if your body had to respond directly to the unattenuated disease. I don't think we have enough information to be able to tell (how do you do an analysis of that kind when you don't even know precisely why COVID or the vaccine can cause heart damage?).
- SV_BubbleTime 2y ago
  What will I do with that 99.97% survival rate? Add more 9s for my age and fitness. But yea ok, better take the experimental drugs now because the screen said to.
berdario 2y ago
> The covid vaccine I had to take to as a condition to travel and employment has been banned from the market for safety reasons. Which one? If you're talking about the Oxford-Astrazeneca vaccine, you should be gald to know that the suspension was short lived, and around April 2021 it was in the market again. They stopped selling it in 2024, but that's because: 1. we are collectively burying our head in the sand about covid (in the UK it seems we don't even monitor the wastewater covid levels anymore) 2. there are a bunch of other vaccines available, and due to the earlier suspension, people trusted the other vaccines more (and thus it was struggling in the market)
- SV_BubbleTime 2y ago
  No, J&J, remind me, is that allowed on the market again?
  - berdario 2y ago
    Unlike the Oxford-Astrazeneca, there were no concerns that caused it to be suspended, so that's good news for you, I guess. That said, they also stopped selling it: https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-roundup-june-2-2023 https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-roun... > requested the voluntary withdrawal of the EUA for this vaccine. Janssen Biotech, Inc. informed the FDA that the last lots of the vaccine purchased by the U.S. Government have expired, there is no demand for new lots of the vaccine in the U.S., and they do not intend to update the strain composition of this vaccine to address emerging variants I'm not well acquainted with practices in the pharmaceutical industry, so it looks a bit weird to me that they would request to withdraw authorisation. I suppose that it might be simpler for them to do so if they know that all remaining doses have expired, rather than risk lawsuits in case that someone might accidentally administer expired doses?
    - SV_BubbleTime 2y ago
      There were no concerns, huh? Wow, I guess all the reports about blood clots and then pulling it was just not concerning. I almost think it’s funny. You people will go to your graves before you admit that you were lied to.
stouset 2y ago
> yea, this was all a bit of an over reaction One million, two hundred thousand dead from COVID and counting in the U.S. alone. Nearly 2% of all deaths in this past week were caused by COVID infection. This doesn’t even begin to touch the people who have suffered lifelong consequences from it. Find me any statistic that puts any COVID vaccine within three orders of magnitude of these numbers or (maybe not so) kindly see yourself out.
- yawpitch 2y ago
  > Find me any statistic that puts any COVID vaccine within three orders of magnitude of these numbers or (maybe not so) kindly see yourself out. Quantitative amen.
- raverbashing 2y ago
  Exactly this Conspiracy bros failed math hard I'm surprised (in a bad way) when people display limited ability to compare magnitudes. We see this all the time in discussions like clean energy and stuff. Sure, sometimes it is malicious or misinformed. But in general it seems like some people can't do it (hence leading to things like payday loans, failure in managing finances, etc)
- johnisgood 2y ago
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  - stouset 2y ago
    I am finding it very hard to reply to this post within the HN commenting guidelines, as it is essentially 100% unsubstantiated misinformation. The COVID vaccines did not and do not cause deaths that are recorded as COVID deaths, full stop. A simple and obvious test of this is that there would have been a clear and obvious spike in COVID-related hospitalizations and deaths in locations where the vaccine began to be mass-administered. There is zero evidence of this in the data. In fact, the exact opposite is true. > Plus everyone says it's safe but there was a vaccine that caused some condition 1-2 years post-vaccination, and it was by pure luck they found the connection to the vaccine. This would be a lot more compelling if you could even name this condition. When you manage to figure that out, I will be happy to engage in further critical discussion.

Krssst 2y ago

Good luck with untested viruses.

DaSHacka 2y ago
From my anecdotal experience, I think I'll take my chances with COVID, thanks. Never got a cardiovascular condition from COVID, yet did (and it continues to worsen) from the vaccines. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. At a certain point, "oh but statistically more people are worse off from COVID!" doesn't matter much to us as individuals, I think it's okay to act on behalf of my own self-preservation sometimes.
- shadowgovt 2y ago
  I'm sorry to hear of your ill fortune. If the vaccine has caused you heart damage, that updates the Bayesian priors on whether you would have survived contracting the disease itself. It is entirely possible the vaccine warded off a virus that would have killed your heart if your body had to respond directly to the unattenuated disease. I don't think we have enough information to be able to tell (how do you do an analysis of that kind when you don't even know precisely why COVID or the vaccine can cause heart damage?).
SV_BubbleTime 2y ago
What will I do with that 99.97% survival rate? Add more 9s for my age and fitness. But yea ok, better take the experimental drugs now because the screen said to.

berdario 2y ago

> The covid vaccine I had to take to as a condition to travel and employment has been banned from the market for safety reasons. Which one? If you're talking about the Oxford-Astrazeneca vaccine, you should be gald to know that the suspension was short lived, and around April 2021 it was in the market again. They stopped selling it in 2024, but that's because: 1. we are collectively burying our head in the sand about covid (in the UK it seems we don't even monitor the wastewater covid levels anymore) 2. there are a bunch of other vaccines available, and due to the earlier suspension, people trusted the other vaccines more (and thus it was struggling in the market)

SV_BubbleTime 2y ago
No, J&J, remind me, is that allowed on the market again?
- berdario 2y ago
  Unlike the Oxford-Astrazeneca, there were no concerns that caused it to be suspended, so that's good news for you, I guess. That said, they also stopped selling it: https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-roundup-june-2-2023 https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-roun... > requested the voluntary withdrawal of the EUA for this vaccine. Janssen Biotech, Inc. informed the FDA that the last lots of the vaccine purchased by the U.S. Government have expired, there is no demand for new lots of the vaccine in the U.S., and they do not intend to update the strain composition of this vaccine to address emerging variants I'm not well acquainted with practices in the pharmaceutical industry, so it looks a bit weird to me that they would request to withdraw authorisation. I suppose that it might be simpler for them to do so if they know that all remaining doses have expired, rather than risk lawsuits in case that someone might accidentally administer expired doses?
  - SV_BubbleTime 2y ago
    There were no concerns, huh? Wow, I guess all the reports about blood clots and then pulling it was just not concerning. I almost think it’s funny. You people will go to your graves before you admit that you were lied to.

stouset 2y ago

> yea, this was all a bit of an over reaction One million, two hundred thousand dead from COVID and counting in the U.S. alone. Nearly 2% of all deaths in this past week were caused by COVID infection. This doesn’t even begin to touch the people who have suffered lifelong consequences from it. Find me any statistic that puts any COVID vaccine within three orders of magnitude of these numbers or (maybe not so) kindly see yourself out.

yawpitch 2y ago
> Find me any statistic that puts any COVID vaccine within three orders of magnitude of these numbers or (maybe not so) kindly see yourself out. Quantitative amen.
raverbashing 2y ago
Exactly this Conspiracy bros failed math hard I'm surprised (in a bad way) when people display limited ability to compare magnitudes. We see this all the time in discussions like clean energy and stuff. Sure, sometimes it is malicious or misinformed. But in general it seems like some people can't do it (hence leading to things like payday loans, failure in managing finances, etc)
johnisgood 2y ago
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- stouset 2y ago
  I am finding it very hard to reply to this post within the HN commenting guidelines, as it is essentially 100% unsubstantiated misinformation. The COVID vaccines did not and do not cause deaths that are recorded as COVID deaths, full stop. A simple and obvious test of this is that there would have been a clear and obvious spike in COVID-related hospitalizations and deaths in locations where the vaccine began to be mass-administered. There is zero evidence of this in the data. In fact, the exact opposite is true. > Plus everyone says it's safe but there was a vaccine that caused some condition 1-2 years post-vaccination, and it was by pure luck they found the connection to the vaccine. This would be a lot more compelling if you could even name this condition. When you manage to figure that out, I will be happy to engage in further critical discussion.