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The Canadian brain drain, it fundamentally affects the Canadian culture and economy by the constant loss of talent and aptitude. The gravitational pull of the U

by calf 2y ago

The Canadian brain drain, it fundamentally affects the Canadian culture and economy by the constant loss of talent and aptitude. The gravitational pull of the U.S. is too powerful. Even I studied at two elite US schools, which put me on a path to H-1B like my peers in grad school一 but I didn't pursue that for personal reasons.

parineum 2y ago
That's not really a consequence of US policy though, that's a consequence of private universities in the US being better. You could argue that is a consequence of policy but that's a fairly downstream effect and I'd argue that Canadian policy is to improve Canadian institutions is the solution so it's still in Canadians hands.
- bawolff 2y ago
  Its a consequence of NAFTA arguably.
- boringg 2y ago
  No its a consequence of earning potential after going to school. If you go to the US you get special student visa which allows you to earn USD and if you are goijg into medicine your lifetime earnings are considerably higher in the US. Canada has great schools but you don't have brand recognition/massive alumni networks/endowments like the US nor do you get visa access.
- calf 2y ago
  I see it not as a consequence of policy but a bigger picture consequence of hegemony, a sociopolitical and technological phenomenon over human societies. More concretely, I'd argue the neighboring Canadian brain drain is dual to the Mexican migration and exploitation of Latino workforce, again this gravitational pull of a world superpower being at work. It is a broader problem--the harm done to the social integrity of neighboring states--than merely policy.
TMWNN 2y ago
>The Canadian brain drain, it fundamentally affects the Canadian culture and economy by the constant loss of talent and aptitude. The gravitational pull of the U.S. is too powerful. Context for others: If you are a Canadian scientist, there is a 16% chance <https://np.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/37lgxg/the_global_brain_trade/ https://np.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/37lgxg/the_...> that you will move to the US. That's not "16% of all Canadian scientists that move out of the country move to the US". Let me repeat: *16% of all Canadian scientists move to the US.* They're also likely to be among the top Canadian scientists, too. By comparison, 5% of all American scientists move to another country, of which 32% go to Canada, so about 1.6-1.7% total. Since the US has nine times more people, that means that in absolute numbers the 1.7% of American scientists is about equal to the 16% of Canadian scientists, but there is no reason to think that the 1.7% makes up the top tier of American scientists; why would the best move north of the border? In other words, the US is receiving the best of Canadian scientists in exchange for an equal number of its non-best. >Even I studied at two elite US schools, which put me on a path to H-1B like my peers in grad school一 but I didn't pursue that for personal reasons. And you, of course, know that not doing so made you unusual. Context for others: The probable successor to Trudeau as Liberal party leader went to Harvard. Not for grad school, for undergrad. Put another way, she has never attended higher education in her home country. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrystia_Freeland https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrystia_Freeland> Trudeau's pedecessor as Liberal leader spent 30 years outside Canada, mostly in the US, before being lured back to lead the party. After failing to become PM he immediately left Canada again for the US. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Ignatieff https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Ignatieff>

by calf 2y ago

parineum 2y ago

That's not really a consequence of US policy though, that's a consequence of private universities in the US being better. You could argue that is a consequence of policy but that's a fairly downstream effect and I'd argue that Canadian policy is to improve Canadian institutions is the solution so it's still in Canadians hands.

bawolff 2y ago
Its a consequence of NAFTA arguably.
boringg 2y ago
No its a consequence of earning potential after going to school. If you go to the US you get special student visa which allows you to earn USD and if you are goijg into medicine your lifetime earnings are considerably higher in the US. Canada has great schools but you don't have brand recognition/massive alumni networks/endowments like the US nor do you get visa access.
calf 2y ago
I see it not as a consequence of policy but a bigger picture consequence of hegemony, a sociopolitical and technological phenomenon over human societies. More concretely, I'd argue the neighboring Canadian brain drain is dual to the Mexican migration and exploitation of Latino workforce, again this gravitational pull of a world superpower being at work. It is a broader problem--the harm done to the social integrity of neighboring states--than merely policy.

TMWNN 2y ago

>The Canadian brain drain, it fundamentally affects the Canadian culture and economy by the constant loss of talent and aptitude. The gravitational pull of the U.S. is too powerful. Context for others: If you are a Canadian scientist, there is a 16% chance <https://np.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/37lgxg/the_global_brain_trade/ https://np.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/37lgxg/the_...> that you will move to the US. That's not "16% of all Canadian scientists that move out of the country move to the US". Let me repeat: *16% of all Canadian scientists move to the US.* They're also likely to be among the top Canadian scientists, too. By comparison, 5% of all American scientists move to another country, of which 32% go to Canada, so about 1.6-1.7% total. Since the US has nine times more people, that means that in absolute numbers the 1.7% of American scientists is about equal to the 16% of Canadian scientists, but there is no reason to think that the 1.7% makes up the top tier of American scientists; why would the best move north of the border? In other words, the US is receiving the best of Canadian scientists in exchange for an equal number of its non-best. >Even I studied at two elite US schools, which put me on a path to H-1B like my peers in grad school一 but I didn't pursue that for personal reasons. And you, of course, know that not doing so made you unusual. Context for others: The probable successor to Trudeau as Liberal party leader went to Harvard. Not for grad school, for undergrad. Put another way, she has never attended higher education in her home country. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrystia_Freeland https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrystia_Freeland> Trudeau's pedecessor as Liberal leader spent 30 years outside Canada, mostly in the US, before being lured back to lead the party. After failing to become PM he immediately left Canada again for the US. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Ignatieff https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Ignatieff>