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.NET Core is available for Debian, you just have to add Microsoft's APT source [1]. Fedora [2], Ubuntu [3], and FreeBSD [4] build .NET from source themselves.

.NET Core is available for Debian, you just have to add Microsoft's APT source [1]. Fedora [2], Ubuntu [3], and FreeBSD [4] build .NET from source themselves. A lot of work has been done to make it possible to build .NET from source [5] without closed source components, so it might just be a matter of someone being motivated to create the package for Debian. [1]: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/core/install/linux-debian https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/core/install/linux-... [2]: https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/dotnet8.0 https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/dotnet8.0 [3]: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dotnet8 https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dotnet8 [4]: https://github.com/freebsd/freebsd-ports/tree/main/lang/dotnet https://github.com/freebsd/freebsd-ports/tree/main/lang/dotn... [5]: https://github.com/dotnet/source-build https://github.com/dotnet/source-build

kragen 2y ago
yes, i know about the microsoft apt source as for building from source, i see, thanks! or maybe it's unresolved legal concerns? nobody so far in this thread has known of any, though
- Mogzol 2y ago
  I doubt it is due to legal concerns if Ubuntu, Fedora, and FreeBSD are all distributing their own builds.
  - kragen 2y ago
    you could easily imagine fedora distributing their own build of software whose licensing fails to comply with the debian free software guidelines; bundling proprietary software used to be common in linux distributions in fact
  - k_roy 2y ago
    "legal concerns" is not the same as philosophy differences.
- MarkSweep 2y ago
  I found someone requesting that it be added to Debian: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/%3Ca%20href=%22bugreport.cgi?bug=1078132%22%3E1078132%3C/a%3E https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/%3Ca%20href=%22bugreport.cgi... So far no one has mentioned licensing being an issue.
  - kragen 2y ago
    that's great! possibly the link you meant was https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1078132 https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1078132 that seems to be from only a few weeks ago though it doesn't seem to have come up on debian-legal in the last year or so https://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/ https://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/ but debian-legal is also kind of a shadow of its former self
    - InfiniteRand 2y ago
      Notably in that bug report the reporter says they cannot maintain it (not that I blame them, not a small work)
jwrallie 2y ago
When using Microsoft repositories you need to explicitly opt out on telemetry collection. I think telemetry collection alone should be a good reason for Debian to consider repackaging it. I don’t want telemetry to be collected on my GNU/Linux machine, thanks Microsoft, but you already have so much telemetry from my Windows machine, please leave my other machines alone.
- neonsunset 2y ago
  I hate to defend telemetry of all things but in this particular case the criticism is unfounded and lacks context: https://dotnet.microsoft.com/en-us/platform/telemetry https://dotnet.microsoft.com/en-us/platform/telemetry https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/core/tools/telemetry https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/core/tools/telemetr... https://github.com/dotnet/sdk/tree/main/src/Cli/dotnet/Telemetry https://github.com/dotnet/sdk/tree/main/src/Cli/dotnet/Telem... In any case, Debian would use https://github.com/dotnet/source-build https://github.com/dotnet/source-build and dotnet/dotnet, and could easily include the argument or a patch for this. It’s unlikely to be an issue. My bet it was not in Debian because there was no one to take initiative yet or there was but that person has faced a backlash by people in Debian who are similar to vocal minority here that posts FUD because of their little personal crusade.
  - kragen 2y ago
    yeah, debian does generally make spyware explicitly opt-in. even https://popcon.debian.org/stable/index.html https://popcon.debian.org/stable/index.html is explicitly opt-in i think the links you provide make it clear that the criticism is not unfounded
  - jwrallie 2y ago
    Your second source mentions you have to change a variable in bash to opt out for telemetry, I fail to see where the FUD is.

kragen 2y ago

yes, i know about the microsoft apt source as for building from source, i see, thanks! or maybe it's unresolved legal concerns? nobody so far in this thread has known of any, though

Mogzol 2y ago
I doubt it is due to legal concerns if Ubuntu, Fedora, and FreeBSD are all distributing their own builds.
- kragen 2y ago
  you could easily imagine fedora distributing their own build of software whose licensing fails to comply with the debian free software guidelines; bundling proprietary software used to be common in linux distributions in fact
- k_roy 2y ago
  "legal concerns" is not the same as philosophy differences.
MarkSweep 2y ago
I found someone requesting that it be added to Debian: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/%3Ca%20href=%22bugreport.cgi?bug=1078132%22%3E1078132%3C/a%3E https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/%3Ca%20href=%22bugreport.cgi... So far no one has mentioned licensing being an issue.
- kragen 2y ago
  that's great! possibly the link you meant was https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1078132 https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1078132 that seems to be from only a few weeks ago though it doesn't seem to have come up on debian-legal in the last year or so https://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/ https://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/ but debian-legal is also kind of a shadow of its former self
  - InfiniteRand 2y ago
    Notably in that bug report the reporter says they cannot maintain it (not that I blame them, not a small work)

jwrallie 2y ago

When using Microsoft repositories you need to explicitly opt out on telemetry collection. I think telemetry collection alone should be a good reason for Debian to consider repackaging it. I don’t want telemetry to be collected on my GNU/Linux machine, thanks Microsoft, but you already have so much telemetry from my Windows machine, please leave my other machines alone.

neonsunset 2y ago
I hate to defend telemetry of all things but in this particular case the criticism is unfounded and lacks context: https://dotnet.microsoft.com/en-us/platform/telemetry https://dotnet.microsoft.com/en-us/platform/telemetry https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/core/tools/telemetry https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/core/tools/telemetr... https://github.com/dotnet/sdk/tree/main/src/Cli/dotnet/Telemetry https://github.com/dotnet/sdk/tree/main/src/Cli/dotnet/Telem... In any case, Debian would use https://github.com/dotnet/source-build https://github.com/dotnet/source-build and dotnet/dotnet, and could easily include the argument or a patch for this. It’s unlikely to be an issue. My bet it was not in Debian because there was no one to take initiative yet or there was but that person has faced a backlash by people in Debian who are similar to vocal minority here that posts FUD because of their little personal crusade.
- kragen 2y ago
  yeah, debian does generally make spyware explicitly opt-in. even https://popcon.debian.org/stable/index.html https://popcon.debian.org/stable/index.html is explicitly opt-in i think the links you provide make it clear that the criticism is not unfounded
- jwrallie 2y ago
  Your second source mentions you have to change a variable in bash to opt out for telemetry, I fail to see where the FUD is.