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Cis women who rape women and cis men who rape men have always gone to prisons aligned with their gender identity. The issue with the normalization of rape in pr

by Kerb_ 2y ago

Cis women who rape women and cis men who rape men have always gone to prisons aligned with their gender identity. The issue with the normalization of rape in prison is unrelated, and should be solved without throwing trans people under the bus

ClumsyPilot 2y ago
The UK prisons are a total clownshow atm, recently there was a string of female prison guards that were jailed for having sex with (male) prisoners, filming it, and of course smuggling drugs, etc. Also Prisons have run out of space so many offenders were let out early. - https://metro.co.uk/2024/07/02/inmate-filmed-sex-wandsworth-prison-guard-jailed-heist-girlfriend-hospitalised-21143440/ https://metro.co.uk/2024/07/02/inmate-filmed-sex-wandsworth-... - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-67955865 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-67955865
- Kerb_ 2y ago
  Jesus, sounds like it's just the UK prisons trying to project their awful "justice" system on their own victims. I give the American justice system a lot of shit based on my personal experience with it, but it sounds like police in general are struggling with maintaining their representation of justice in the modern era, especially with how publicized it can get when they fail to deliver.
  - ben_w 2y ago
    All government funded systems in the UK have spent the last 14 years struggling, because the UK government of that era tried to get over the recession caused by the global financial crisis in the late 00s by cutting absolutely everything they could possibly cut.
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blinkedup 2y ago
This ideological argument was attempted back then too, but it's rejected by most people, who see the reality of the situation: men being locked up in women's prisons. It should be no surprise to anyone that such a policy is very unpopular. Prisons are separated by sex for good reason. Trying to pretend that some of these male criminals are women just because they said they are is not a particularly convincing argument.
- Kerb_ 2y ago
  Pretty interesting how being anti-prison rape is considered an ideological argument. But hats off to the real winners of this situation: the bisexual rapists who get to rape no matter what ideology their captors have, I guess.
  - mensetmanusman 2y ago
    This might seem clever, but it ignores human biology and sociology.
    - ben_w 2y ago
      Sociology of the society as a whole perhaps, but the first three letters of LGBT are not magically immune and the fourth letter is not magically capable. And physiologically, someone whose outie was surgically modified into an innie is going to have just as many difficulties topping as a natural born woman.
  - blinkedup 2y ago
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    - ben_w 2y ago
      I remember hearing about some boy who was sent to a prison for a minor offence, was raped, got HIV. Regardless of your intent, which I cannot know because I am not a mind-reader, what you write here therefore still comes across as if it was ~"it's only bad when pre-op trans women do it".

by Kerb_ 2y ago

ClumsyPilot 2y ago

The UK prisons are a total clownshow atm, recently there was a string of female prison guards that were jailed for having sex with (male) prisoners, filming it, and of course smuggling drugs, etc. Also Prisons have run out of space so many offenders were let out early. - https://metro.co.uk/2024/07/02/inmate-filmed-sex-wandsworth-prison-guard-jailed-heist-girlfriend-hospitalised-21143440/ https://metro.co.uk/2024/07/02/inmate-filmed-sex-wandsworth-... - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-67955865 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-67955865

Kerb_ 2y ago
Jesus, sounds like it's just the UK prisons trying to project their awful "justice" system on their own victims. I give the American justice system a lot of shit based on my personal experience with it, but it sounds like police in general are struggling with maintaining their representation of justice in the modern era, especially with how publicized it can get when they fail to deliver.
- ben_w 2y ago
  All government funded systems in the UK have spent the last 14 years struggling, because the UK government of that era tried to get over the recession caused by the global financial crisis in the late 00s by cutting absolutely everything they could possibly cut.

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blinkedup 2y ago

This ideological argument was attempted back then too, but it's rejected by most people, who see the reality of the situation: men being locked up in women's prisons. It should be no surprise to anyone that such a policy is very unpopular. Prisons are separated by sex for good reason. Trying to pretend that some of these male criminals are women just because they said they are is not a particularly convincing argument.

Kerb_ 2y ago
Pretty interesting how being anti-prison rape is considered an ideological argument. But hats off to the real winners of this situation: the bisexual rapists who get to rape no matter what ideology their captors have, I guess.
- mensetmanusman 2y ago
  This might seem clever, but it ignores human biology and sociology.
  - ben_w 2y ago
    Sociology of the society as a whole perhaps, but the first three letters of LGBT are not magically immune and the fourth letter is not magically capable. And physiologically, someone whose outie was surgically modified into an innie is going to have just as many difficulties topping as a natural born woman.
- blinkedup 2y ago
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  - ben_w 2y ago
    I remember hearing about some boy who was sent to a prison for a minor offence, was raped, got HIV. Regardless of your intent, which I cannot know because I am not a mind-reader, what you write here therefore still comes across as if it was ~"it's only bad when pre-op trans women do it".