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games are requiring secure boot now? No thanks.

by beeboobaa3 2y ago

shdh 2y ago
Valve Anti-Cheat (VAC) is still running in user space.
- tapoxi 2y ago
  And is universally hated by CS2 and TF2 players. TF2 has been unplayable for years.
  - yamazakiwi 2y ago
    I have 1000+ hrs in CS and I'm glad VAC exists. I've seen tons of hackers get vac banned, thank goodness. I'm confused...like I know VAC isn't perfect but how does it ruin TF2 specifically?
    - Hikikomori 2y ago
      TF2 is overrun by bots farming hats. CS has always been completely infested at higher ranks like global elite. In both cases VAC is practically useless against any non-userspace hack.
      - yamazakiwi 2y ago
        Oh and VAC does nothing about it I see, thanks for your response
      - episteme 2y ago
        It's not right now, there was a huge banwave and it's been bot free for a couple of months now. If you have any nostalgia for TF2, now is the time to indulge.
  - NekkoDroid 2y ago
    IIRC Overwatch's anti-cheat is also entirely user-space and server-side, and I encounter relativly few cheaters in Master to GM lobbies. Not to say there aren't any (there most certainly are), but there are so few that are noticable that it honestly is negligible IMO.
J_Shelby_J 2y ago
Games or esports? Riot’s Valorant used a kernel level anti-cheat that needs to be enabled at boot. It’s super problematic from a security perspective. That being said, I’ve played competitive FPS games my entire life, and valorant is the only game I’ve never ran into a cheater in. So it works, and I’ll say, it should be a hard requirement going forward for the anti-cheat to be a core part of the game architecture. A game getting popular enough to attract cheat developers to make an sdk for a game isn’t “suffering from success.” It’s a death sentence for the game. There are popular streamers and YouTube content creators out there that go through extreme lengths to avoid cheaters, but in the end they always just stop playing the games.
- Hikikomori 2y ago
  Pretty much all anticheat is kernel level because that's where hacks are now, it was not a new thing when vanguard came out either, it had been like this for years already. Not that it matters that much for data privacy if you game on the same user anyway as userspace anticheat can access all your users data.

games are requiring secure boot now? No thanks.

shdh 2y ago

Valve Anti-Cheat (VAC) is still running in user space.

tapoxi 2y ago
And is universally hated by CS2 and TF2 players. TF2 has been unplayable for years.
- yamazakiwi 2y ago
  I have 1000+ hrs in CS and I'm glad VAC exists. I've seen tons of hackers get vac banned, thank goodness. I'm confused...like I know VAC isn't perfect but how does it ruin TF2 specifically?
  - Hikikomori 2y ago
    TF2 is overrun by bots farming hats. CS has always been completely infested at higher ranks like global elite. In both cases VAC is practically useless against any non-userspace hack.
    - yamazakiwi 2y ago
      Oh and VAC does nothing about it I see, thanks for your response
    - episteme 2y ago
      It's not right now, there was a huge banwave and it's been bot free for a couple of months now. If you have any nostalgia for TF2, now is the time to indulge.
- NekkoDroid 2y ago
  IIRC Overwatch's anti-cheat is also entirely user-space and server-side, and I encounter relativly few cheaters in Master to GM lobbies. Not to say there aren't any (there most certainly are), but there are so few that are noticable that it honestly is negligible IMO.

J_Shelby_J 2y ago

Games or esports? Riot’s Valorant used a kernel level anti-cheat that needs to be enabled at boot. It’s super problematic from a security perspective. That being said, I’ve played competitive FPS games my entire life, and valorant is the only game I’ve never ran into a cheater in. So it works, and I’ll say, it should be a hard requirement going forward for the anti-cheat to be a core part of the game architecture. A game getting popular enough to attract cheat developers to make an sdk for a game isn’t “suffering from success.” It’s a death sentence for the game. There are popular streamers and YouTube content creators out there that go through extreme lengths to avoid cheaters, but in the end they always just stop playing the games.

Hikikomori 2y ago
Pretty much all anticheat is kernel level because that's where hacks are now, it was not a new thing when vanguard came out either, it had been like this for years already. Not that it matters that much for data privacy if you game on the same user anyway as userspace anticheat can access all your users data.