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Most people aren't actually interested in knowing what's going on. But one can find out. Even if one isn't conspiracy minded, it's quite obvious that oligarchs,

Most people aren't actually interested in knowing what's going on. But one can find out. Even if one isn't conspiracy minded, it's quite obvious that oligarchs, their multinational companies and governments couldn't give a single fuck about normal people. PFAS and microplastics everywhere, rises in autoimmune diseases as well as allergies and Alzheimer's. Addictive amounts of sugar in a lot of food. GMOs everywhere unless you can pay extra for organic. None of these people actually care about us. If we don't get an understanding of what's healthy and how to get rid of all of this artificial poison we're probably going to end up in the Idiocracy timeline.

fwip 2y ago
Most GMOs are safe, with the possible exception of those that produce their own insecticide, and overspraying of herbicides on crops GMO'd to be more herbicide-resistant.
- jasonvorhe 2y ago
  I don't trust any of the GMO vendors.
  - randomdata 2y ago
    So you grow your own food from identity preserved seeds sourced from a vendor that has no association with GMOs? If you buy commercial products, the non-GMO seeds are unquestionably being sourced from the very same GMO vendors, and thus can't be trusted either.
    - jasonvorhe 2y ago
      I grow some of my own food (salads, zucchini, Hokkaido, potatoes, etc) in my garden but it's nowhere near self-sufficiency. All of my seeds as well as my garden are completely GMO free. I've been growing the last few seasons by solely relying on my own seeds though.
      - randomdata 2y ago
        > as well as my garden are completely GMO free. Goes without saying. It’s rare to find GMO vegetables even commercially (only zucchini and potatoes even could be), let alone in a garden. But that’s not what we’re talking about. We’re talking about ensuring the GMO vendors haven’t ever touched the seed. How are you ensuring provenance as to avoid the trust issues?
        fwip 2y ago
        There are many places you can get food and seeds that are verified to be non-GMO. If you're trying to do a "reflections on trusting trust" reference, well, this is the real world. You might not ever be 100% sure that something is what it says it is (you might be a brain in a jar!), but it's usually better to get it from the guy you trust than the guy you don't.
        randomdata 2y ago
        > There are many places you can get food and seeds that are verified to be non-GMO. Of course, at least within some margin of contamination. Identity preserved allows no more than 0.5% contamination, which is the best in the biz. But, the problem is that the earlier commenter didn't trust GMO vendors, not GMOs themselves. As in: Non-GMOs from a GMO vendor are equally untrustworthy. Hell, even a hat with a GMO vendor's logo on it is untrustworthy according to that commenter. Unless you're sticking to food that doesn't have GMOs to begin with (which, to be fair, is almost all food!), you're going to be searching high and low to find a vendor that doesn't also dabble in GMOs.
  - fwip 2y ago
    You know what, that's totally fair. I also do not trust them. I suppose I tend to assume the capacity for deception on this scale is rather limited.
randomdata 2y ago
> Addictive amounts of sugar in a lot of food. Realistically, this and seed oils are the only place you are going to really encounter GMOs. If you are avoiding such processed food anyway... > GMOs everywhere unless you can pay extra for organic. If you really must binge on the junk food and are concerned about any GMO content, why are you paying extra for organic? Why not just buy non-GMO products?
- lukan 2y ago
  "Why not just buy non-GMO products?" I think that is hard, since non-GMO can still contain GMO. Organic is a bit stricter, but I think also not 100% GMO free. (Personally, I don't care about GMO, but organic)
  - randomdata 2y ago
    The US does not appear define a specific threshold – best effort only, but I believe the EU allows 0.9% contamination in organic crops. The identity preserved program only allows 0.5%, so that's theoretically a better bet than organic, if you had some reason to care.
- ClumsyPilot 2y ago
  > If you really must binge on the junk food This is inaccurate - the other day I wanted to get some cookies for a child - label said sugar content was like 25%, that's insane. I have baked cookies myself, you don't need that much sugar to get decent tasting cookies, they are not suppose to be junk food. it's everywhere, not just chocolates, even in bread. It better be a malevolent conspiracy, because if not, then it's suicidal stupidity of our species.
  - ciceryadam 2y ago
    Sugar is not only addictive and harmful, it's also a preservative. It's cheap to add and provides longer shelf life.
  - randomdata 2y ago
Root_Denied 2y ago
> Most people aren't actually interested in knowing what's going on. I don't necessarily think this is the case, at least the US. It's time consuming and expensive to get testing done without an actual diagnosis, even with healthcare. Taking the time off or spending the money on allergy testing just isn't going to take command of the budget over necessities or more serious healthcare needs. You're right about the rest of it though, but IMO the systemic issues with money in politics prevents anything from being done about it at the moment, and I don't know what it would take to push the working class into a general strike or revolt.
- jasonvorhe 2y ago
  I didn't mean individual diagnosis but research about the broad spectrum of literally poisonous shit being packaged and sold as if it was nothing.
therein 2y ago
> Most people aren't actually interested in knowing what's going on. But one can find out. Even if one isn't conspiracy minded, it's quite obvious that oligarchs, their multinational companies and governments couldn't give a single fuck about normal people. Yup, there are people who subscribed to the system and there are people that opted out. I don't even try to explain to people anymore. If I did I am pretty sure there would be a downvote frenzy and then Dan might even get pinged.
paretoer 2y ago
Having lost 30lbs so far in 2024, you are highly under estimating the devastation of our gluttonous foodie culture. All the factors you mention I suspect are completely meaningless in comparison to consuming excess calories and I am pretty sure research would back this up. I was starting to have various health problems a year ago this time that have all gone away literally like magic. I think what you are talking about is actually a form of denial. Blaming meaningless variables we can't control so we can ignore the fat elephant in the room right in front of us.
- inglor_cz 2y ago
  "I am pretty sure research would back this up" Don't be so sure. We don't really know what messed up with our satiety/hunger signals. "our gluttonous foodie culture." Our which one? Obesity is a global problem, not a specifically American one. You will meet a lot of obese people in Brasilian favelas or rural Serbia, not exactly places that have "foodie culture". "Having lost 30lbs so far in 2024" I am not trying to discourage you, but the main stumbling stone with obesity is not losing the weight, but keeping it off for years. Your comment would carry a lot more weight (pun intended) if you lost that weight in 2020 and kept it off until today.
  - arde 2y ago
    It's probably the carbs.
    - consteval 2y ago
      Probably not, since carbs have always been the easiest food to get and they didn't have this problem. Protein, and especially meat, was always rare and a minority of diet. But greens, fruits, nuts (ish, they have fat) are plentiful.
  - arde 2y ago
    [flagged]
  - consteval 2y ago

fwip 2y ago

Most GMOs are safe, with the possible exception of those that produce their own insecticide, and overspraying of herbicides on crops GMO'd to be more herbicide-resistant.

jasonvorhe 2y ago
I don't trust any of the GMO vendors.
- randomdata 2y ago
  So you grow your own food from identity preserved seeds sourced from a vendor that has no association with GMOs? If you buy commercial products, the non-GMO seeds are unquestionably being sourced from the very same GMO vendors, and thus can't be trusted either.
  - jasonvorhe 2y ago
    I grow some of my own food (salads, zucchini, Hokkaido, potatoes, etc) in my garden but it's nowhere near self-sufficiency. All of my seeds as well as my garden are completely GMO free. I've been growing the last few seasons by solely relying on my own seeds though.
    - randomdata 2y ago
      > as well as my garden are completely GMO free. Goes without saying. It’s rare to find GMO vegetables even commercially (only zucchini and potatoes even could be), let alone in a garden. But that’s not what we’re talking about. We’re talking about ensuring the GMO vendors haven’t ever touched the seed. How are you ensuring provenance as to avoid the trust issues?
      - fwip 2y ago
        There are many places you can get food and seeds that are verified to be non-GMO. If you're trying to do a "reflections on trusting trust" reference, well, this is the real world. You might not ever be 100% sure that something is what it says it is (you might be a brain in a jar!), but it's usually better to get it from the guy you trust than the guy you don't.
        randomdata 2y ago
        > There are many places you can get food and seeds that are verified to be non-GMO. Of course, at least within some margin of contamination. Identity preserved allows no more than 0.5% contamination, which is the best in the biz. But, the problem is that the earlier commenter didn't trust GMO vendors, not GMOs themselves. As in: Non-GMOs from a GMO vendor are equally untrustworthy. Hell, even a hat with a GMO vendor's logo on it is untrustworthy according to that commenter. Unless you're sticking to food that doesn't have GMOs to begin with (which, to be fair, is almost all food!), you're going to be searching high and low to find a vendor that doesn't also dabble in GMOs.
- fwip 2y ago
  You know what, that's totally fair. I also do not trust them. I suppose I tend to assume the capacity for deception on this scale is rather limited.

randomdata 2y ago

> Addictive amounts of sugar in a lot of food. Realistically, this and seed oils are the only place you are going to really encounter GMOs. If you are avoiding such processed food anyway... > GMOs everywhere unless you can pay extra for organic. If you really must binge on the junk food and are concerned about any GMO content, why are you paying extra for organic? Why not just buy non-GMO products?

lukan 2y ago
"Why not just buy non-GMO products?" I think that is hard, since non-GMO can still contain GMO. Organic is a bit stricter, but I think also not 100% GMO free. (Personally, I don't care about GMO, but organic)
- randomdata 2y ago
  The US does not appear define a specific threshold – best effort only, but I believe the EU allows 0.9% contamination in organic crops. The identity preserved program only allows 0.5%, so that's theoretically a better bet than organic, if you had some reason to care.
ClumsyPilot 2y ago
> If you really must binge on the junk food This is inaccurate - the other day I wanted to get some cookies for a child - label said sugar content was like 25%, that's insane. I have baked cookies myself, you don't need that much sugar to get decent tasting cookies, they are not suppose to be junk food. it's everywhere, not just chocolates, even in bread. It better be a malevolent conspiracy, because if not, then it's suicidal stupidity of our species.
- ciceryadam 2y ago
  Sugar is not only addictive and harmful, it's also a preservative. It's cheap to add and provides longer shelf life.
- randomdata 2y ago

Root_Denied 2y ago

> Most people aren't actually interested in knowing what's going on. I don't necessarily think this is the case, at least the US. It's time consuming and expensive to get testing done without an actual diagnosis, even with healthcare. Taking the time off or spending the money on allergy testing just isn't going to take command of the budget over necessities or more serious healthcare needs. You're right about the rest of it though, but IMO the systemic issues with money in politics prevents anything from being done about it at the moment, and I don't know what it would take to push the working class into a general strike or revolt.

jasonvorhe 2y ago
I didn't mean individual diagnosis but research about the broad spectrum of literally poisonous shit being packaged and sold as if it was nothing.

therein 2y ago

> Most people aren't actually interested in knowing what's going on. But one can find out. Even if one isn't conspiracy minded, it's quite obvious that oligarchs, their multinational companies and governments couldn't give a single fuck about normal people. Yup, there are people who subscribed to the system and there are people that opted out. I don't even try to explain to people anymore. If I did I am pretty sure there would be a downvote frenzy and then Dan might even get pinged.

paretoer 2y ago

Having lost 30lbs so far in 2024, you are highly under estimating the devastation of our gluttonous foodie culture. All the factors you mention I suspect are completely meaningless in comparison to consuming excess calories and I am pretty sure research would back this up. I was starting to have various health problems a year ago this time that have all gone away literally like magic. I think what you are talking about is actually a form of denial. Blaming meaningless variables we can't control so we can ignore the fat elephant in the room right in front of us.

inglor_cz 2y ago
"I am pretty sure research would back this up" Don't be so sure. We don't really know what messed up with our satiety/hunger signals. "our gluttonous foodie culture." Our which one? Obesity is a global problem, not a specifically American one. You will meet a lot of obese people in Brasilian favelas or rural Serbia, not exactly places that have "foodie culture". "Having lost 30lbs so far in 2024" I am not trying to discourage you, but the main stumbling stone with obesity is not losing the weight, but keeping it off for years. Your comment would carry a lot more weight (pun intended) if you lost that weight in 2020 and kept it off until today.
- arde 2y ago
  It's probably the carbs.
  - consteval 2y ago
    Probably not, since carbs have always been the easiest food to get and they didn't have this problem. Protein, and especially meat, was always rare and a minority of diet. But greens, fruits, nuts (ish, they have fat) are plentiful.
- arde 2y ago
  [flagged]
- consteval 2y ago