may I ask what this sentiment comes from? I sincerely want to know what I am missing, because the fact that Clojure is hosted on the JVM (mainly) seems like a

may I ask what this sentiment comes from? I sincerely want to know what I am missing, because the fact that Clojure is hosted on the JVM (mainly) seems like a plus to me. I don't much like the build tools in the jvm environment such as maven or gradle, and the error messages could be better for sure. Is there more ugliness that I should look into?