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Have you ever worked a job where you get tipped? I have. I was both a bartender and a server and my income was far better than both 1) the alternatives for whic

Have you ever worked a job where you get tipped? I have. I was both a bartender and a server and my income was far better than both 1) the alternatives for which I was qualified, and 2) what my income would have been on flat, higher wage. If you haven't worked a job like that, it might be worth talking to people who do or have.

margalabargala 2y ago
I have; I worked in an ice cream stand at a dairy farm. And you're correct, because of the tips we made much more than we would have even if we had had a higher wage. But to the point of the person you replied to, on the busy days, there would be two of us working. We were free to split labor however we liked. We made far more tips when it was my attractive, female, coworker taking orders and interacting with the customers, and me scooping, than the other way around. People absolutely do tip differently based on their biases regarding the worker they are interacting with.
manuelmoreale 2y ago
Potentially very stupid question: should I add a tip % on my invoices as a freelance developer?
- arealaccount 2y ago
  You should also be tipping your landlord I hear
- next_xibalba 2y ago
  I know this is supposed to be funny, but it is so non sequitur as to be uninterpretable. What are you getting at?
  - manuelmoreale 2y ago
    I’m not getting at anything. I’m literally asking if you think I should be adding a % tip to my invoices as a freelance dev. And if the answer is no, why not? I’m providing a service after all am I not?
nitwit005 2y ago
Yes, there will be some people who are tipped an unusually high amount who will lose out. But almost any significant policy or social change will have an impact like that. You have to basically give up on fixing anything if you're not willing to impact anyone.
- settsu 2y ago
  Exactly: sorry that you might potentially lose a benefit that was gained only by an arguably broken system but them's the breaks, kid. Deal with it.
settsu 2y ago
I've never worked full-time since I was 16 but never a job where tipping was the norm (I'm in the US) so maybe I'm missing something obvious but isn't a stable income preferable? And where is the assumption coming from that doing away with tips invariably requires making less money?
- throaway827 2y ago
  in high-tip jobs, you can count on the tips to be stable virtually every night
  - settsu 2y ago
    That seems like a highly presumptive gamble. And, as referenced elsewhere, it isn't the right argument against pushing for progress in pay equity. I'll admit up front that I'm simply not going to see eye-to-eye with anyone who thinks a system is acceptable or sustainable that requires subjugation of many for income maximization for a very few. There's FAR too much capital in play for me to feel bad at slightly less comfort for some if it means drastic reduction in suffering for so many.
    - throaway728 2y ago
      it’s not an argument for or against, it’s just a statement of fact

margalabargala 2y ago

I have; I worked in an ice cream stand at a dairy farm. And you're correct, because of the tips we made much more than we would have even if we had had a higher wage. But to the point of the person you replied to, on the busy days, there would be two of us working. We were free to split labor however we liked. We made far more tips when it was my attractive, female, coworker taking orders and interacting with the customers, and me scooping, than the other way around. People absolutely do tip differently based on their biases regarding the worker they are interacting with.

manuelmoreale 2y ago

Potentially very stupid question: should I add a tip % on my invoices as a freelance developer?

arealaccount 2y ago
You should also be tipping your landlord I hear
next_xibalba 2y ago
I know this is supposed to be funny, but it is so non sequitur as to be uninterpretable. What are you getting at?
- manuelmoreale 2y ago
  I’m not getting at anything. I’m literally asking if you think I should be adding a % tip to my invoices as a freelance dev. And if the answer is no, why not? I’m providing a service after all am I not?

nitwit005 2y ago

Yes, there will be some people who are tipped an unusually high amount who will lose out. But almost any significant policy or social change will have an impact like that. You have to basically give up on fixing anything if you're not willing to impact anyone.

settsu 2y ago
Exactly: sorry that you might potentially lose a benefit that was gained only by an arguably broken system but them's the breaks, kid. Deal with it.

settsu 2y ago

I've never worked full-time since I was 16 but never a job where tipping was the norm (I'm in the US) so maybe I'm missing something obvious but isn't a stable income preferable? And where is the assumption coming from that doing away with tips invariably requires making less money?

throaway827 2y ago
in high-tip jobs, you can count on the tips to be stable virtually every night
- settsu 2y ago
  That seems like a highly presumptive gamble. And, as referenced elsewhere, it isn't the right argument against pushing for progress in pay equity. I'll admit up front that I'm simply not going to see eye-to-eye with anyone who thinks a system is acceptable or sustainable that requires subjugation of many for income maximization for a very few. There's FAR too much capital in play for me to feel bad at slightly less comfort for some if it means drastic reduction in suffering for so many.
  - throaway728 2y ago
    it’s not an argument for or against, it’s just a statement of fact